Live 1/2 Nl Game Hand

[Coyote18 0]

This is my first strat post so feel free to tell me the question or situation is worthless. I'm posting because I can't get the hand off my mind.Hero ($350)Villian ($120)Villian image - The villian just sat down, sat out and watched a round. This is a small casino in Northern Wisconsin with mostly older people and locals with a few young people that come in from Minneapolis (me) Villian is young kid who gives off the aura that he knows everything about poker. My initial image of him is that he may be a table bully. This hand takes place on his first hand though.My image - I had played fairly LAG and had respect from most of the table. Can't really say if the Villian had any image of me.Hand.UTG limp $2folds around to Hero on ButtonHero calls $2 (6-10 off)Sb calls $1Villian raises $6UTG calls $6Hero calls $6 (loose, but my style is willing to see flops and get away from hands)Pot $32Flop (2d 4x 10d)SB checkVillian best $10UTG foldsHero calls $10SB foldsPot $52Turn 8xVillian bets $20Hero raises to $40Villian pushes all in (~$55)Pot $114, $55 to callTwo things that I know will come up immediately. The first advice is just fold pre flop. Again, this is somewhat of my style to see flops, and run away if I miss. 6-10 is on the outside of the range of hands I want to do this with, however with a new player that I feel may be a bully, I want to see a flop with him. Added to that, I'm getting nearly 4-1 because I am sure the SB will flat call and not fold.The min raise on the turn - I'm trying to show more strength that I have at this point. My feeling is that I should have raised to $50-$60 which would have committed myself and then I would not have a decision.Thoughts? Thanks for your help in advance.

[mtdesmoines 3]

This is my first strat post so feel free to tell me the question or situation is worthless. I'm posting because I can't get the hand off my mind.Hero ($350)Villian ($120)Villian image - The villian just sat down, sat out and watched a round. This is a small casino in Northern Wisconsin with mostly older people and locals with a few young people that come in from Minneapolis (me) Villian is young kid who gives off the aura that he knows everything about poker. My initial image of him is that he may be a table bully. This hand takes place on his first hand though.My image - I had played fairly LAG and had respect from most of the table. Can't really say if the Villian had any image of me.Hand.UTG limp $2folds around to Hero on ButtonHero calls $2 (6-10 off)Sb calls $1Villian raises $6UTG calls $6Hero calls $6 (loose, but my style is willing to see flops and get away from hands)Pot $32Flop (2d 4x 10d)SB checkVillian best $10UTG foldsHero calls $10SB foldsPot $52Turn 8xVillian bets $20Hero raises to $40Villian pushes all in (~$55)Pot $114, $55 to callTwo things that I know will come up immediately. The first advice is just fold pre flop. Again, this is somewhat of my style to see flops, and run away if I miss. 6-10 is on the outside of the range of hands I want to do this with, however with a new player that I feel may be a bully, I want to see a flop with him. Added to that, I'm getting nearly 4-1 because I am sure the SB will flat call and not fold.The min raise on the turn - I'm trying to show more strength that I have at this point. My feeling is that I should have raised to $50-$60 which would have committed myself and then I would not have a decision.Thoughts? Thanks for your help in advance.

If you're going to play loose and be the bully, you need to raise TP on the flop.I really think you have to sheepishly muck now.

[Trips_Holdem 0]

First off, there are 2 diamonds on the board and 2 unknown cards? If you feel as if he is a table bully, he was probably pot committed to just go all in with a flush draw or did another diamond come and you didnt see it or are you sure there were only 2 diamonds?Since its first hand, he probably wants to double his stack ASAP so he can begin to bully, so he probably is pretty weak with a draw. Again, he could have J-10 or something and have you beat the fact that you have 10 with a weak kicker puts you between a rock and a hard place.Plus not knowing if he is a bully or not does not help. You are either beat or he is drawing to the river in hopes of cashing in big on the first hand. You are getting 2:1 with a marginal hand.If you were going to re-raise him, it should of been big on the flop or all in on the turn. Put him into the hard decision with his hand unless he has a set or even an unlikely two pair on the first hand. You want to impose a tight image against a bully so when you do go after him he has to fold or he has to respect your check-raises. And you definitly dont want him to think you are weak by folding with 2:1 pot odds after you re-raised him. The min raise is a scary thing because it cant show extreme doubt and weakness, or it can signal a monster hand. Tough choice but I would rather play short stacked and get my money in with a better hand and try to get a better idea of how your opponent plays.

[Temporary Nuts 1]

If you're going to play loose and be the bully, you need to raise TP on the flop.I really think you have to sheepishly muck now.

Spot on. Find out where you are on the flop with a raise here, it's cheaper.If you were going the route of "I'll call and re-evaluate on the turn" his 20 dollar bet should have finished that evaluation.At the point you're at right now, you are beating a bluff, and only a bluff, fold.

[tskillz187 0]

I didn't read any replies yet, but the pot seems to be off, from the flop on.

[NoBBiR 0]

How about you don't make raises when the guy you're raising has very little left when you know you're not calling a shove. You had to have had a gameplan for if he came over the top. Obviously if he's calling 20 more, he's probably going to shove, so my guess is you didn't think about it, or were going to fold. Now you can fold

[Coyote18 0]

Obviously if he's calling 20 more, he's probably going to shove, so my guess is you didn't think about it, or were going to fold.

I don't think that's obvious, he's still got around 55 left so if he's on a diamond draw, an option for him is to make a cheap call for 20 and hope that he hits and the pot is his. The agressive play if he has a flush draw is to push all in (like he may have), but it's not the only option.

If you're going to play loose and be the bully, you need to raise TP on the flop.I really think you have to sheepishly muck now.

My goal here though is to extract more from him assuming I have the best hand and it's a continuation bet with AK, AQ, AJ or even a lower pair. I decide I am looking for information on the turn but the information I got wasn't as clear as I hoped. I actually expected him to call or fold.I realize I didn't play the hand well at all although I do feel better that people have told me to fold. That's what I did so I have no results for you. From the reaction that he gave after the hand, I assume that I was semi-bluffed. Thanks for your advice.

[Coyote18 0]

How about you don't make raises when the guy you're raising has very little left when you know you're not calling a shove.

I also don't agree with this however. What you're saying is that I should be a calling station with top pair.

[KoRnholio 2]

If you're playing T-6off for a raise preflop, you have to make some move at the pot either as a bluff or because you hit something. When you limp and call, call the flop, min raise the turn, you are playing like a total fish. Not to mention that that min raise puts you in an awkward spot getting 2:1 on an all in 3bet.

[Acid_Knight 2]

I also don't agree with this however. What you're saying is that I should be a calling station with top pair.

You're not supposed to be a station with top pair, but you're not supposed to commit yourself too deeply with it in situations like this either.1. Fold preflop.2. After it's raised preflop, since you limped, you should still fold.3. The flop is a raise most of the time if you're gonna play this garbage here.4. The turn raise is HORRIBLE. You min raised. Why? Your hand is usually way behind here. He doens't have much money left, but you're still not getting odds to outdraw him even if he has a hand like JJ, or even worse for you, a hand like JT which takes away 2 of your outs.Don't play hands like T6o and if you're gonna play them, it'd better be in position and you'd better be raising with them becuase they're rarely ever gonna make the best hand.

[Dice_3008 1]

Just curious. Is this Turtle Lake?I agree with the others. If you're going to play a shitter like 10-6 off then you need to be more aggressive early before the pot swells.

[NoBBiR 0]

I also don't agree with this however. What you're saying is that I should be a calling station with top pair.

You're not supposed to be a station with top pair, but you're not supposed to commit yourself too deeply with it in situations like this either.

Dammit, you beat me too it.Also, the whole point of playing garbage hands is that you can stack someone when you flop big and they can't put you on that mother ****ing hand - you reraised him - Ace ****ing ten, he didn't think you'd reraise him with ace ****ing ten.But seriously, the guy has less than 100bb's - when you play a hand for a raise against a shorty, you had better not have 106o. Because even the amount of times you stack him isn't going to make up for the times you lose money just calling his raise preflop. When people are as deep as you, or deeper, it pays to play trashy hands IP for a raise, but not otherwise. IMHO, your style is probably going to end up making you a loser, unless you have a very advanced game or play a bunch of passivetards.If you're going to play these crap hands, play them in position, open for a raise, and find out where you're at on the flop more often than the turn when it is cheaper. Oh and don't minraise