socdave01 0 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 i have a lot of outs, what to do next?Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)MP ($7.70)Hero ($25.45)Button ($19.15)SB ($19.55)BB ($9.55)UTG ($2.40)Preflop: Hero is CO with 6 , 7 . 2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold.Flop: ($2.25) 4 , 8 , 4 (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $1, SB calls $1.Turn: ($4.25) 9 (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB raises to $6.5 hero ??????? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Your flop bet is awful. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 You can shove this, but don't expect to be very profitable over time, drawing to straight and flush on paired board on turn. Link to post Share on other sites
danc1984 0 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Flop bet is pretty bad. Either bet it properly or not at all. What were you hoping to achieve with this bet? Call his turn reraise, it is pretty awful unless he has a boat or something. You are easily getting the odds. I do not like shoving the turn at all. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 You can shove this, but don't expect to be very profitable over time, drawing to straight and flush on paired board on turn.Do you hate money?Shoving this is awful, unless you think you've got significant fold equity. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Do you hate money?Shoving this is awful, unless you think you've got significant fold equity.No, from the tone of the post, I got the idea that our hero was leaning toward shoving, and I was all like, "well, you can shove this, but don't expect to be profitable."I don't shove this ... Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 How you got that out of his post is beyond me. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 How you got that out of his post is beyond me.Hmmmmm..... i have a lot of outs, what to do next?...Turn: ($4.25) 9 (2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB raises to $6.5 hero ???????Translation: Can't ... fold! .... Must .... shove! Link to post Share on other sites
danc1984 0 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 This hand is incredibly straight forward right? I mean the size of villain's turn raise makes a call the 100% correct option doesn't it? Anything else would be awful IMO. Just a question to the OP, did you post this hand for feedback on your overall play in it or just the turn decision? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Hmmmmm..... Translation: Can't ... fold! .... Must .... shove!Stop trying to read into things, you're basically never right. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Stop trying to read into things, you're basically never right.You're just mad. I don't know why, specifically, but I know you're just mad. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 nevermind. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 nevermind.OK. Besides, when we get to results, I bet the OP shoved. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerinc 0 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Start at least 3 more threads. Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 This hand is incredibly straight forward right? I mean the size of villain's turn raise makes a call the 100% correct option doesn't it? Anything else would be awful IMO.yes it isobv the flop action is jacked Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 bet flop more, check behind on turn. This game is easy. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 bet flop more, check behind on turn. This game is easy. Link to post Share on other sites
socdave01 0 Posted September 27, 2007 Author Share Posted September 27, 2007 well u guys were right, i shoved, he calls with A4 i missed. basically ISAP. fwiw, I bet small on the flop bc the entire table was folding flops to any sort of bet (most flops would be folded to a min bet) Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 You can shove this, but don't expect to be very profitable over time, drawing to straight and flush on paired board on turn. Do you hate money? Shoving this is awful, unless you think you've got significant fold equity. No, from the tone of the post, I got the idea that our hero was leaning toward shoving, and I was all like, "well, you can shove this, but don't expect to be profitable." ... I don't shove this ... How you got that out of his post is beyond me. Hmmmmm..... Translation: Can't ... fold! .... Must .... shove! Stop trying to read into things, you're basically never right. You're just mad. I don't know why, specifically, but I know you're just mad. nevermind. OK. Besides, when we get to results, I bet the OP shoved. well u guys were right, i shoved, he calls with A4 i missed. basically ISAP. fwiw, I bet small on the flop bc the entire table was folding flops to any sort of bet (most flops would be folded to a min bet) Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Congrats. I don't think that's what we were arguing about.I was more irked at the awful advice you gave, or at least how poorly you worded it, combined with how I feel about the rest of your advice in general. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Congrats. I don't think that's what we were arguing about.I was more irked at the awful advice you gave, or at least how poorly you worded it, combined with how I feel about the rest of your advice in general.Good morning, Zach. It wasn't advice, it was discussion. Am I really that awful? Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I think Scott said after he checks to you on the turn, you take your free card. There's no reason to bet this turn since he often has a 4 here and you're getting c/r and you'll have no FE, making pushing pretty awful. Oh, and you could be drawing pretty much dead if he already had the boat. Link to post Share on other sites
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