Late In $2 Mtt, Ducks Facing An All-in From A Shorty Pf

[Yahkin 0]

47 left out of 1499. Well into the money, but still at the chump change level. Antes are 150 I believeVillain has been pushing once per circuit and yet to be shown down. I'd be calling 11000 into a 24500 pot with several left to act.Thoughts?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Hero (t39848)UTG+1 (t90750)MP1 (t26046)MP2 (t39953)CO (t21491)Button (t74974)SB (t13245)BB (t33171)Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2, 2. Hero calls t2000, UTG+1 calls t2000, MP1 calls t2000, 2 folds, Button calls t2000, SB raises to t13045, 1 fold, Hero ???

[thebottomline 0]

Well, with three players left to act still I'd consider folding. If he's been pushing once every orbit then I'd imagine you're not the only person to have noticed it, and one of the other three may have a callable hand too, another small pocket pair, or something like A9/A10. Let someone else try to knock him out rather than risk losing a third of your stack on dueces.

[ghostlove 0]

ugh, wtf is that limp from utg pre flop.fold that pf man. or raise it. but dont limp in with it. that was ugly.but in ur situation, u gotta fold.

[jmbreslin 0]

Yeah, I don't like the fact that there are still limpers to act behind you. There are lots of things that could go wrong here and I wouldn't want to get involved in a mess with 22.Given that SB is a shortie and there are others who are going to start making moves, I wouldn't bother playing 22 at all from at this point, unless I was confident I could steal the blinds with it.

[Metternich 0]

definite fold. I might fold even if there was no one still left to act. I mean, best case scenario you are tossing a coin for a third of your stack. Besides, it's likely enough that he has another pocket pair (5s or something) and is himself hoping for a coinflip. Unless he has always been stealing from late position then I'd fold this

[Yahkin 0]

Ok, I felt folding there was the correct thing to do...and furthermore even limping UTG was horrible. Even if I was pushing with complete rags he is still at best in a race. I just wanted a sanity check.I was the villain in this hand and my shove was called by the pocket dueces. I was holding Ad7d. I hit my ace, but it was the Ac that completed his flush and I was knocked out. I commented on what a horrible call that was and he was completely convinced that it was the proper move on his part. Does the 4-1 on his money and only 2-1 to call make it worthwhile?BBFIDTS I guess.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)UTG (t39848)UTG+1 (t90750)MP1 (t26046)MP2 (t39953)CO (t21491)Button (t74974)Hero (t13245)BB (t33171)Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, A. UTG calls t2000, UTG+1 calls t2000, MP1 calls t2000, 2 folds, Button calls t2000, Hero raises to t13045, 1 fold, UTG raises to t39848, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Button folds.Flop: (t60093) 5, 4, 3(2 players)Turn: (t60093) 9(2 players)River: (t60093) A(2 players)Final Pot: t33290Results below:Hero has 7d Ad (one pair, aces). UTG has 2d 2c (flush, ace high). Outcome: UTG wins t33290.

[jmbreslin 0]

He limps and the push-reraises with pocket 2's? Yikes.That's just a stupidly risky move with 22 because it is, at best, a literal coinflip. By the way, this is a $2 tourney...do you honestly think the average $2 player knows more than you do?

[Yahkin 0]

He limps and the push-reraises with pocket 2's? Yikes.That's just a stupidly risky move with 22 because it is, at best, a literal coinflip. By the way, this is a $2 tourney...do you honestly think the average $2 player knows more than you do?

Well, to be in the final 47/1499 I assumed the skill level had increased...perhaps that was my mistake.

[cdannons 0]

fold from the getgo, and fold to the all-in, no reason to risk your chips when you are hoping to be a slight favorite. small pocket pairs are much less playable when the blinds have increased this much. Even if you play them very well, it's hard to get paid off enough to make paying off the times you dont hit, and if you don't hit, it can be a tough hand to play. Say the flop comes like 3 3 6, you may want to keep playing the hand against a small bet even though you're up against something like 4 4, it's ust too risky, I saw throw it away, if not fold then at least raise to too see if you can either win the blinds or go heads up and take the pot with a possible continuation bet

[Cappy37 0]

lol.justlol.STOP WITH THE @#$#$# BARRY PLAYS. Micro MTTS =/= High Stakes Poker. You will *never* get enough laydowns to make this play profitable at these limits, especially being as short as you were in relation to the amount in the pot.Congratulations on calling out the one guy in the hand who played it worse than you. Congratulations on not being at best a 3-1 dog here. Congratulations on only getting one caller. Sorry about your *cough* luck.And yeah, this is as mean and condescending as you will ever see me being on this forum. You *have* to bring up the squeeze play during a micro-mtt discussion. You know I have nothing but love for you, man. Taking a stand here with A7 is > than the 22 call.. But seriously, you are > mr. donkey. Find a better spot.

[Yahkin 0]

lol.justlol.STOP WITH THE @#$#$# BARRY PLAYS. Micro MTTS =/= High Stakes Poker. You will *never* get enough laydowns to make this play profitable at these limits, especially being as short as you were in relation to the amount in the pot.Congratulations on calling out the one guy in the hand who played it worse than you. Congratulations on not being at best a 3-1 dog here. Congratulations on only getting one caller. Sorry about your *cough* luck.And yeah, this is as mean and condescending as you will ever see me being on this forum. You *have* to bring up the squeeze play during a micro-mtt discussion. You know I have nothing but love for you, man. Taking a stand here with A7 is > than the 22 call.. But seriously, you are > mr. donkey. Find a better spot.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Any better ace than mine raises PF...especially at this table. I did not execute it as a squeeze play, I assumed I had the best hand PF.And apparently 22 is the new nuts. This is from the Neg-o last night.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)SB (t2370)BB (t1665)UTG (t5715)UTG+1 (t4266)MP1 (t7260)MP2 (t6302)MP3 (t10565)CO (t3062)Hero (t8572)Preflop: Hero is Button with K, A. 1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t600, 4 folds, Hero raises to t2000, 2 folds, UTG+1 raises to t4266, Hero calls t2266.Flop: (t8832) J, A, 7(2 players)Turn: (t8832) 9(2 players)River: (t8832) T(2 players)Final Pot: t8832Results below:UTG+1 has 2h 2s (flush, ace high). Hero has Kd Ad (one pair, aces). Outcome: UTG+1 wins t8832.

[monix 0]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)SB (t2370)BB (t1665)UTG (t5715)UTG+1 (t4266)MP1 (t7260)MP2 (t6302)MP3 (t10565)CO (t3062)Hero (t8572)Preflop: Hero is Button with K, A. 1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t600, 4 folds, Hero raises to t2000, 2 folds, UTG+1 raises to t4266, Hero calls t2266.Flop: (t8832) J, A, 7(2 players)Turn: (t8832) 9(2 players)River: (t8832) T(2 players)Final Pot: t8832Results below:UTG+1 has 2h 2s (flush, ace high). Hero has Kd Ad (one pair, aces). Outcome: UTG+1 wins t8832.

Can we talk about this hand?When you are this deep (M> 28), I am in the camp that would suggest you overplayed AK pre-flop. Firstly, I would call the raise in position and see a flop. Secondly, calling an all-in is bad, but you priced yourself into it with the re-raise.Consider the likely way this hand plays out if you simply call. Whether the pf raiser bets the flop or not, your bet or raise and probably takes it down right there.

[Yahkin 0]

Can we talk about this hand?When you are this deep (M> 28), I am in the camp that would suggest you overplayed AK pre-flop. Firstly, I would call the raise in position and see a flop. Secondly, calling an all-in is bad, but you priced yourself into it with the re-raise.Consider the likely way this hand plays out if you simply call. Whether the pf raiser bets or not, you bet or raise and probably take it down right there.

I agree and I thought about that after the hand was done...but I think it's a bit results based thinking. How the cards came I would have taken this down with a flop bet, but what happens if I miss the flop. Any real cBet nearly pot commits me to the hand any way. What if he leads out? I've just turned AKs into 67s. I have villain covered 2-1 and we are approaching the bubble. There are only two holdings that I'm real worried about, and they are less likely since I'm holding one of each of those.Keep in mind, I was ahead in this hand all the way to the river.

[monix 0]

Keep in mind, I was ahead in this hand all the way to the river.

Not pre-flop - you put half your stack in as an underdog.

[Yahkin 0]

Not pre-flop - you put half your stack in as an underdog.

AKs is ahead of 22 HU. 49.9 - 49.6Edit: It's even closer than that I guess...but AKs is still a favorite. 49.77 - 49.6 (.63 Tie)

[jmbreslin 0]

I wholeheartedly disagree. Any better ace than mine raises PF...especially at this table. I did not execute it as a squeeze play, I assumed I had the best hand PF.

Only you know how the table was playing but in general it may be questionable to assume that a better Ace would raise PF. AJ-AK very likely, but someone could have limped w/ A8-AT (although they may not be prepared to call a push-reraise with those hands).Part of the issue for me about this hand, though, is that you made this move against large stacks that can easily call you with a wide range and take a bit of a risk to knock you out. UTG's stack is 3x yours, UTG+1's is about 7x your stack, and Button's is about 5x yours. Maybe UTG wouldn't want to take the risk, but it would be perfectly reasonable for either UTG+1 or Button to do so. I know you said you were not making the move as a squeeze play, but I think you'd much rather take the pot here than go to war for your tournament life w/ A7s.

[Yahkin 0]

Only you know how the table was playing but in general it may be questionable to assume that a better Ace would raise PF. AJ-AK very likely, but someone could have limped w/ A8-AT (although they may not be prepared to call a push-reraise with those hands).Part of the issue for me about this hand, though, is that you made this move against large stacks that can easily call you with a wide range and take a bit of a risk to knock you out. UTG's stack is 3x yours, UTG+1's is about 7x your stack, and Button's is about 5x yours. Maybe UTG wouldn't want to take the risk, but it would be perfectly reasonable for either UTG+1 or Button to do so. I know you said you were not making the move as a squeeze play, but I think you'd much rather take the pot here than go to war for your tournament life w/ A7s.

Well, we're pretty short compared to the blinds, so clearly our range is opened up. Of course I'd rather take the pot without a fight, but I'd be happy to go to war against a big stack that makes a loose call with a K or Q. (Or even 22 - 66) I really feel 88+, AT+ raises PF. I'm sure I fold PF with any smaller kicker or if they are not suited.

[Gallo 1]

Ok, I guess I'm one of the few that probably agree with both of Yahkin's plays here.In the first hand what are 4 people limping in with that we are not probably ahead of? Honestly, I'm shoving A7 in this spot everday of the week. If I pickup the blinds cool. If I get a caller, so be it, I don't think we're that behind. I think the call with 22 was horrible and Yahkin just got unlucky. Too many people nowadays are calling off all their chips with these low pocket pairs. Sure they're ahead, but not by much.Now as for the Neg-O hand. I don't mind calling off here. The way Yahkin played it he already had his mind set on playing it. Apparently so did the player with 22. Sometimes to win these kind of tournaments (better players, not saying your bad Yahkin) you have to go big or go home. I think Yahkin knows that his edge is probably more preflop than postflop in the Neg-O, he's not a luckbox like me. lol Yahkin has a stack and he's looking to add to it to have a more comfortable stack to play with. He lost the race, so be it.

[monix 0]

AKs is ahead of 22 HU. 49.9 - 49.6Edit: It's even closer than that I guess...but AKs is still a favorite. 49.77 - 49.6 (.63 Tie)

Whether a slight under or over dog, you put half your stack at risk pre-flop on a coin-flip. With a big M, this is a high variance way of playing poker. Remember, the chips you win are worth less than the ones you already have in a tourney...BTW, I get a different result than you...Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 41,095,296 games 0.005 secs 8,219,059,200 games/secBoard: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 49.893% 49.57% 00.32% 20370432 133374.00 { AKs }Hand 1: 50.107% 49.78% 00.32% 20458116 133374.00 { 22 }

[timwakefield 68]

Open fold 22 utg.Edit: You tricked me!

[Yahkin 0]

Ok, I guess I'm one of the few that probably agree with both of Yahkin's plays here.In the first hand what are 4 people limping in with that we are not probably ahead of? Honestly, I'm shoving A7 in this spot everday of the week. If I pickup the blinds cool. If I get a caller, so be it, I don't think we're that behind. I think the call with 22 was horrible and Yahkin just got unlucky. Too many people nowadays are calling off all their chips with these low pocket pairs. Sure they're ahead, but not by much.Now as for the Neg-O hand. I don't mind calling off here. The way Yahkin played it he already had his mind set on playing it. Apparently so did the player with 22. Sometimes to win these kind of tournaments (better players, not saying your bad Yahkin) you have to go big or go home. I think Yahkin knows that his edge is probably more preflop than postflop in the Neg-O, he's not a luckbox like me. lol Yahkin has a stack and he's looking to add to it to have a more comfortable stack to play with. He lost the race, so be it.

I built my stack back up to 9k and then hit a cold streak. Blinded down to 5k. Open shoved AQ from UTG with the blinds at 200/400 and got called by shorty with 88. Bricked and I'm sitting with 900 chips. Doubled the next hand when my 68o dominated hand rivers the flush. Two hands later I doubled again with AJs and I'm back to 5k.Then this:PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)UTG (t4915)MP (t11164)Button (t6649)SB (t11995)Hero (t4454)Preflop: Hero is BB with T, T. 2 folds, Button raises to t1800, 1 fold, Hero raises to t4404, Button calls t2604.Flop: (t8958) 4, K, A(2 players)Turn: (t8958) 3(2 players)River: (t8958) 4(2 players)Final Pot: t8958Results below: Button has Ah 3c (two pair, aces and fours). Hero has Th Td (two pair, tens and fours). Outcome: Button wins t8958.Button called off 2/3 of his stack with A3o.ISAP. Out in 10th.

[Cappy37 0]

I wholeheartedly disagree. Any better ace than mine raises PF...especially at this table. I did not execute it as a squeeze play, I assumed I had the best hand PF.

OK, so you were not squeezing. Instead, you were hoping to get your A7 AIPF against hopefully a single caller, who would be holding a hand A7 plays well against? I almost rather you stayed hidden behind the squeeze mentality.Either way, it's just a matter of differing styles. I changed my avatar in your honor, so at least something came out of this