mtdesmoines 3 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 $2/$5 $500 live. Hero has +/- $1,000; villain has +/- $670 ... hero covers all other relevant stacks.Situation: main game of must move game. Locals are complaining about the tight, tight games. Hero and villain came from same feeder table and have both been at this table for half hour or better. Typecasting: - As far as they know, hero is TAG, but hiding LAG well - Villain is aggressive but I haven't seen him junk it up much or get luckyHero is in LP with AK off. UTG raises to $30, call, call, call ... hero re-raises to $120. The PLAN was to just TID or get AA and KK to shove and get it over with. Call, call, call.OK, so ... the good news is that table is NO LONGER tight, four people seeing a flop with me and we're playing for everything, I have position, a $500 pot, a table of people complaining about tight play, and no pair PF. Flop: A88, two spades. Hey, great .... now we have a pair.UTG bets $100. UTG+1 thinks forever and folds. Second monkey folds. I quickly raise to $300. Villain goes in the tank for about five minutes. He's either really weak and going to make a move, or really strong and is Hollywooding it pretty good. I honestly can't tell. At the end of his tankage, he announces ALL IN. It's another $450 to call, and hero feels pretty sick right about now. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Smoked or he lost his mind. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 The stack size or your math is wrong. It should be $350 to call if he had 670-120 (pre)-300 (flop bet) = $250.$250 is an isntacall.Also, raise more preflop if you plan to take it down. I'd raise to at least $150 here. $180 would be a pot sized raise.Oh, did I say instacall? Link to post Share on other sites
gryphon11 0 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 I could not get away from this. I am sure you are posting this becaue villan had an eught here though. you are getting about 3 to 1 on your money Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 The stack size or your math is wrong. It should be $350 to call if he had 670-120 (pre)-300 (flop bet) = $350.$350 is an isntacall.Also, raise more preflop if you plan to take it down. I'd raise to at least $150 here. $180 would be a pot sized raise.Oh, did I say instacall?Yeah, that's a real sneaky reraise here. We made the pot a full-buyin preflop and we start 1/6 pot leading and 1/2 pot reraising. sneaky sneaky. Link to post Share on other sites
FishtankHank 0 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 he's right there's too much money in there. Link to post Share on other sites
CBass1724 1 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 I don't think KK is out of the realm of possibility. I can't see UTG having an 8 unless he has 2 of them...but still, why raise utg with 88. Maybe he has AsKs or AsQs.Still impossible to not call the all in.You should have the "call any bet" box checked on this one. This is our flop. Link to post Share on other sites
CBass1724 1 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 The stack size or your math is wrong. It should be $350 to call if he had 670-120 (pre)-300 (flop bet) = $350.$350 is an isntacall.Also, raise more preflop if you plan to take it down. I'd raise to at least $150 here. $180 would be a pot sized raise.Oh, did I say instacall?I think the arithmetic is wrong here. He started with $670...called $120 (down to $550) preflop. Leads out for $100 (down to $450)..was raised $200 more to $300 meaning to call he would be left with $250....but he shoved. It is $250 for Hero to call which is instacall.Did I misread?$670($120)$550--------------->has this total going into the flopHe bet $100, we raised to $300, then he is all in for $550 total...meaning $250 more for us to call.Even if it was $350 it is still a call in my book. As it is being $250, it justifies a call even more. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 The stack size or your math is wrong. It should be $350 to call if he had 670-120 (pre)-300 (flop bet) = $250.$250 is an isntacall.Also, raise more preflop if you plan to take it down. I'd raise to at least $150 here. $180 would be a pot sized raise.Oh, did I say instacall?FMP Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 The stack size or your math is wrong. It should be $350 to call if he had 670-120 (pre)-300 (flop bet) = $250.$250 is an isntacall.Also, raise more preflop if you plan to take it down. I'd raise to at least $150 here. $180 would be a pot sized raise.Oh, did I say instacall?Meh, I ****ed up his chip count. Bets are the same. Ends up being $450 to me to call his all in. Link to post Share on other sites
sabes99 0 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 if you're going to re-raise pf, with all the callers in between i say you have to make it around $150-200 hereas played, i'm never getting away from this with the amount of money you have put in the pot already Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Meh, I ****ed up his chip count. Bets are the same. Ends up being $450 to me to call his all in.Oh, well in that case.Instacall. Link to post Share on other sites
Tideplaya 0 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 I can't believe no one else suggested this yet but maybe you should think about folINSTACALL! Link to post Share on other sites
gdub.mt 0 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 I don't know about insta, but I'd say it's gotta be a call........ Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 I can't believe no one else suggested this yet but maybe you should think about folINSTACALL!OK, so this isn't as tough as I thought. I called after pondering it for a couple minutes. I really felt while making the call that we were chopping or he had AQ and stepped on his dick. He had AT. Turn: A. river: brick. Chop chop. What do you think of his play? Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 OK, so this isn't as tough as I thought. I called after pondering it for a couple minutes. I really felt while making the call that we were chopping or he had AQ and stepped on his dick. He had AT. Turn: A. river: brick. Chop chop. What do you think of his play?You're sneaky $300 raise got you that pot. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 You're sneaky $300 raise got you that pot.love the whole hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Koana 0 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 I think his play was questionable, but see why he did it. However, if you guys chopped the pot, you were screwed. Your king played. Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 I think his play was questionable, but see why he did it. However, if you guys chopped the pot, you were screwed. Your king played. Am I missing something here? Link to post Share on other sites
Koana 0 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Am I missing something here?Correct me if I'm wrong, but both players had two pair, aces and eights. However, hero's kicker, the king beat the villain's 10. Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Correct me if I'm wrong, but both players had two pair, aces and eights. However, hero's kicker, the king beat the villain's 10.Check out the turn card, it's an interesting one Link to post Share on other sites
Koana 0 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Yes, I am a newbie dips$$t.Please disregard. I learned poker from Eric Ryland... Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Correct me if I'm wrong, but both players had two pair, aces and eights. However, hero's kicker, the king beat the villain's 10.LOLAMENTS.Turn is an Ace sir, both players had full houses. He WAS scooping on the flop, not the turn. Both players were freerolling their hole cards after they both made Aces full of 8s on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 My favorite sequence is getting it AI against an idiot with AT here. The A turns and I'm like "great, that card just cost me half of the pot!" and then the T rolls off on the river and I'm just like "@#$*&@#)&$*(@!!!" Link to post Share on other sites
rdtedm 0 Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Yes, I am a newbie dips$$t.Please disregard. I learned poker from Eric Ryland...It'll be hard to recover having so few posts. GL! Link to post Share on other sites
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