sagedecarte 0 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 in the past few weeks ive had a bit of extra cash and have been depositing $15 here, $25 there whenever I can; but I was entering into MTTs and SNGs that were 1/4 or more of my total bankroll, which isn't (in retrospect) a smart or effective thing to do.now im trying to play more within my limits, but its extremely frustrating because it seems (maybe its all in my head) that players in low limit cash games and the $1.20 to $3.40SNGs call down every hand (chasing cards or with a weaker hand and the turn/river make it stronger) and 7/10 times make it.am i imagining this? do you avoid low stakes online? and what would be the best decision... play low limits against (for lack of a better word) stupid players or wait and try to build up a bigger bankroll so I can play my game and not get so frustrated Link to post Share on other sites
Dogpatch 2 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 They're not making it 7/10 times. It just seems that way. All you can do is get your money in good and be happy when people make bad calls against you. You will catch badbeats, but if you get it in good, in the longrun you will be ahead.I don't play lower than .25/.50 though. Link to post Share on other sites
boliRC 0 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 I've applied the smash theory to SSNLH online. ABC and Smash work really well at destroying the 3.40 10 mans and the 6.50 18mans. It's really quite fun. Link to post Share on other sites
Cappy37 0 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Online poker, of course is rigged.. No matter what cards you start a $1.20 SNG with, if you push first hand you will always be called by Ace-Jack offsuit. It's in the fine print if you re-examine the disclaimer. <sw>On a serious note, the problem with the micro-micro limits isn't the uncleaned masses, it's the smattering of players who are actually quite capable that you wouldn't expect at that limit. It keeps you on your toes when you realize how good the level of play at these limits is sometimes. Stay the heck inside your bankroll at all costs. And eliminate variance. If you are playing $1.20 SNGS always play at least two at a time and always keep two going. You'll reduce the 70/30 idea to about 30/70 like it should be, and getting your Jacks drawn out on for 1/3 of your stack isn't so brutal if you have the CL on another table. If you got one table open, you are going to give yourself an ulcer over-analyzing every freakin' move you make. Link to post Share on other sites
boliRC 0 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Online poker, of course is rigged.. No matter what cards you start a $1.20 SNG with, if you push first hand you will always be called by Ace-Jack offsuit. It's in the fine print if you re-examine the disclaimer. <sw>On a serious note, the problem with the micro-micro limits isn't the uncleaned masses, it's the smattering of players who are actually quite capable that you wouldn't expect at that limit. It keeps you on your toes when you realize how good the level of play at these limits is sometimes. Stay the heck inside your bankroll at all costs. And eliminate variance. If you are playing $1.20 SNGS always play at least two at a time and always keep two going. You'll reduce the 70/30 idea to about 30/70 like it should be, and getting your Jacks drawn out on for 1/3 of your stack isn't so brutal if you have the CL on another table. If you got one table open, you are going to give yourself an ulcer over-analyzing every freakin' move you make.Wow, that was probably the most intellectual response I've seen on FCP in the last week or so. And will continue to be until Ronnie Mex posts again. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Bank roll management is over rated Link to post Share on other sites
sagedecarte 0 Posted August 8, 2007 Author Share Posted August 8, 2007 I've applied the smash theory to SSNLH online. ABC and Smash work really well at destroying the 3.40 10 mans and the 6.50 18mans. It's really quite fun.Where can I find more information on what you're talking about? I'm unfamiliar with both of what you just described Link to post Share on other sites
profxavier9 0 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 I've applied the smash theory to SSNLH online. ABC and Smash work really well at destroying the 3.40 10 mans and the 6.50 18mans. It's really quite fun. if smash was here he would rip you up, cause smash stratagey is only for cash game's. I was never a big fan of his stratagy anyways and i doubt it can make money past .10/.25, if that.Low limit poker is very beatable just be patient and dont bluff, unless you just know someone is a nit Link to post Share on other sites
Figger 0 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Bank roll management is over ratedEspecially when you look like this. Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Now my curiosity is piqued about this smash thing... Link to post Share on other sites
Napa_Don 688 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Now my curiosity is piqued about this smash thing...Open push A-A, K-K, Q-Q, fold everything else.......yeah, that's about it. Link to post Share on other sites
Dogpatch 2 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Open push A-A, K-K, Q-Q, fold everything else.......yeah, that's about it.Limp with a PP and push if you hit your set, otherwise fold. No set, no bet? Link to post Share on other sites
profxavier9 0 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Limp with a PP and push if you hit your set, otherwise fold. No set, no bet?you play QQ like any other pp. Im pretty sure you only shove with aa kk . Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 in the past few weeks ive had a bit of extra cash and have been depositing $15 here, $25 there whenever I can; but I was entering into MTTs and SNGs that were 1/4 or more of my total bankroll, which isn't (in retrospect) a smart or effective thing to do.now im trying to play more within my limits, but its extremely frustrating because it seems (maybe its all in my head) that players in low limit cash games and the $1.20 to $3.40SNGs call down every hand (chasing cards or with a weaker hand and the turn/river make it stronger) and 7/10 times make it.am i imagining this? do you avoid low stakes online? and what would be the best decision... play low limits against (for lack of a better word) stupid players or wait and try to build up a bigger bankroll so I can play my game and not get so frustratedI ran $100 into $3,000 in two weeks in June, playing about 4 hours a night. What's my point? Only this: yes ... low stakes are beatable, and if you run goot, they're totally poundable. (hint: online players aren't nearly as good as live players.) Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 you play QQ like any other pp. Im pretty sure you only shove with aa kk .Limp with QQ and only bet if you hit your set? What if the flop is all undercards? Link to post Share on other sites
Canary3 1 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 smash strat is very simple and can be very profitable if you stick to the rules and play about 8 tables so you dont get bored. push all in with kk and AA limp with all pairs and suited aces. go all in if you hit your set or flush. you can call small bets if you four flush. that is all Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Limp with QQ and only bet if you hit your set? What if the flop is all undercards?Sort of different from what you just heard in NL strat, huh? Link to post Share on other sites
king1305 0 Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 I ran $100 into $3,000 in two weeks in June, playing about 4 hours a night. What's my point? Only this: yes ... low stakes are beatable, and if you run goot, they're totally poundable. (hint: online players aren't nearly as good as live players.)Can you give me lessons? Coach me? Please? Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedKills 0 Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 Started with .80 on Monday and ran it up over a dollar then went to .01/.02NL and built it to 5. Short Stacked .01/.02NL for 2 days and have it up to 24. Link to post Share on other sites
RabidTortuga 0 Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 I ran $100 into $3,000 in two weeks in June, playing about 4 hours a night. What's my point? Only this: yes ... low stakes are beatable, and if you run goot, they're totally poundable. (hint: online players aren't nearly as good as live players.)Just curious, what did you play during this run? Link to post Share on other sites
Flushgarden 0 Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 (hint: online players aren't nearly as good as live players.)bulllllll shiiiitttttThe play at .10/.25 NL online is much better than the play at 1/2 NL Live. Most 1/2 live players would get absolutely destroyed at 1/2 online. 1/2 NL live = .05/.10 NL online Link to post Share on other sites
RyanPriceDotCA 0 Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 in the past few weeks ive had a bit of extra cash and have been depositing $15 here, $25 there whenever I can; but I was entering into MTTs and SNGs that were 1/4 or more of my total bankroll, which isn't (in retrospect) a smart or effective thing to do.now im trying to play more within my limits, but its extremely frustrating because it seems (maybe its all in my head) that players in low limit cash games and the $1.20 to $3.40SNGs call down every hand (chasing cards or with a weaker hand and the turn/river make it stronger) and 7/10 times make it.am i imagining this? do you avoid low stakes online? and what would be the best decision... play low limits against (for lack of a better word) stupid players or wait and try to build up a bigger bankroll so I can play my game and not get so frustratedIts just like playing at the lowest limit table at any casino. You always get a ton of donks and when they hit chasing something ridiculous its quite frustrating. Just gotta tell yourself "Man, that was a one in 8 chance. I hope he makes that same play next time". The other 7 times you'll be taking the pot from him. Link to post Share on other sites
sagedecarte 0 Posted August 9, 2007 Author Share Posted August 9, 2007 good points...and thanks for the clarification on the smash strategyill put that into effect multi tabling and see the result, but the crucial point is to be aware of players also playing that style Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 Sort of different from what you just heard in NL strat, huh?So is this smash thing just a big joke? Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted August 9, 2007 Share Posted August 9, 2007 bulllllll shiiiitttttThe play at .10/.25 NL online is much better than the play at 1/2 NL Live. Most 1/2 live players would get absolutely destroyed at 1/2 online. 1/2 NL live = .05/.10 NL online Link to post Share on other sites
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