Rocketwadster

Here's the skinny on this whole mess, from a non-bias perspective (at least I think I am not biased one way or the other, as I have great respect for Daniel and Howard, however, I have very little for the defendant, but she is not the focus of my comments, just the catalyst):Daniel has had problems with Howard in the past (from back in the day regarding Annie). For Daniel to take Howard's side (even though it is most likely through Daniel's associations with many other members of FTP and not because Daniel and Howard are chums), with such vigor and gusto, proclaiming how off the wall the laws

I had no idea that what I had was contagious. Sorry for infecting...

He called the first two bets on the turn cold, so I can't see anyone folding for the next two...raise it up!

At the low limits, two pair hands and set hands are going to call two bets regardless, so you may as well raise it up to build the pot while you have the current nuts IMO. The only hands that are going to fold are non-nut diamond draws and any hands that were going low on the flop. You want the non-nut diamond draws out just in case (cant get the nut-diamond draw out IMO regardless).

I don't think you have any fold equity in the hand (at those stakes, with those stacks), so Im not sure about the push (meaning what does it do but ensures that you see all 5 cards). A small case could be made for just calling here, perhaps saving you a bit of money if a scare card comes (ie. board pairs), since you aren't really drawing to the nuts here at all (an offsuit 8 would give you the current nuts, but he may still have redraws that are better than yours (nut flush draw, two pair/set, etc.).I would have rather check/called the flop, or led out and called the raise (keeping the pot sm

The answer to your specific question on the river is a definate yes IMO. I don't like the pre-flop raise FWIW.

Been perusing my old posts from back in the day, and found quite possibly the single greatest post about SNG's pertaining to PLO8 in the history of mankind. I'm not very tech-savvy, so I don't know how to show a link to the article, but suggest that everyone, and I do mean everyone, do a search for one of my old posts called "The Typical Bubble Hand" from the tournament forum. It will change your life (and improve your SNG results)...You can all thank me later...

As I am sure you are aware, the optimal strategy for SNG's (regardless of the game), is to play for third place, and go from there. Howard Lederer has a good article (from Full Tilt tips - not on his website), which discusses the how's (tight early, fast late) and why's - which you allude to in your OP that you are following, which is good. However, your late strategy leaves much to the imagination, and while I agree it would be near impossible to describe each and every situation as to what you are doing, it appears that you need to also include high only hands in your aggressive "late" str

The concept of pushing or pulling is very relevant here, as you have a very good drawing hand, so do you want to push people out of the pot, or pull them in? Note: There is a very good article in the lastest issue of 2+2 internet magazine which discusses (albeit in limit O8) how best to proceed against 2 opponents when you have nut-low draw and top two pair with low wheel draw (this example is nut-low draw and nut-flush draw with low wheel draw- but the similarities are relevant).I'm pretty sure that the min-raise was there due to the presence of the 2 on the flop. If you had a naked ace-tw

I am very surprised by the lack of responses to the "Ribbo" comments I placed in this topic, as I believe that the concepts he discusses are very relavent to hands such as this. I thought for sure that there would be tons of back and forth discussions, but alas, no. Maybe I'll copy some of Rolf Slotboom's articles and see how they fare...lol

The problem here is that many times when you have non-nut hands, the nut hand is out there against you, especially multi-way. For example, I lost three $100 buy-ins in 3 laps with second-nut flush with nut low (quartered as nut flush was there with nut low - 2 players), nut straight with second-nut flush re-draw and second nut-low (lost it all when nut low and nut flush got there 2-players), and second nut flush with second nut low (lost to nut flush and nut low - 2 players). My hands would be considered huge, and while I haven't checked the math to see what my percentages could have been, t

If you think PLO8 is a waiting game, try playing Stud 8...now THAT takes patience...

I agree that the hand you posted is differnt (in that there were only two cards to a low on board on the flop), but the concepts that Ribbo talks about are very similar, in that this flop is not a great flop (its good, but not great) for your hand when you think about it, even though you have the nuts right now.

My tastes must be way off from you clowns (in no particular order, my 10 favorite, only because I can't narrow it down to 5):Reservoir Dogs (better than Pulp Fiction IMO)The Usual Suspects12 MonkeysMementoThe Princess BrideA Christmas StoryBlack Hawk DownApocolypse NowBladerunnerThe Lord of the Rings Trilogy

I agree. Your chasing half the pot at best here. I must have been tired when I first read it.

I have found that with a monster starting hand like yours, rather than completing there, you will get more money in the pot early by just putting in the bring-in, as someone almost always completes for you, allowing for a possible raise. If on a failry "calling-station" type table though (which it seems you may be based on some of the action), completing right out is great too.On fourth street, you commented that you wanted to get money in the pot. Why not cap it then when it comes back to you. Don't see anybody going anywhere, so build it up.Rest is good.

Regardless of whether its Stud Hi/Lo and Horse Stud Hi/Lo, I still think folding third, while crazy at first, is best in the long run with your cards the way they are (move the ace from the hole to your doorcard, and EVERYTHING changes). Play for the scoop boys, not chasing half...

Terrible call of the two bets on third there. Easy fold.If you somehow got to see third for free with all that money out there, check-fold fifth (no idea why you bet out).

From Ribbo (I copied and pasted it - hope he doesn't mind - his website ribbo.com is free to look at, so I wouldn't think it to be a problem)Bad Flops that look like Good FlopsTuesday, 24th January, 2006 You hold AAKQThe flop comes A48. You would be surprised at the number of players who lose their roll on this flop in a game of pot limit omaha/8This is one of the worst flops for new players to have. They have nut high on the flop and they are always told to protect their hand. However what becomes immediately obvious is that should there be a showdown, at no point can they win more than 50% o

i think this was a baffling way to play the hand, especially since your against a "nit". Your playing for half of the pot only, and could easily (especially against a "nit") be drawing practically dead. Just call the flop bet IMO, re-evaluate on the turn.

Reservoir Dogs is a better movie than Pulp Fiction IMO.

Pretty sure you are referring to me, but I didn't scoop nothing. I lost the entire pot, when the river brought my opponent his ONE outer to scoop ME.

Its in the post where I say results below. Highlight it and they show up (its in white text).

Wow. Who knew...

My thoughts are that the river card probably didnt hurt my hand as much as it may have improved it (for example, if I was up against A 4, I am now winning). The hands I feared on the flop were A 4, A 9, 4 4, 9 9, A A. If I was up against any of those hands come the river, I am either still behind, or just improved to having the best hand. If the board didn't pair (except the ace), I would have just called his bet.