Dealing With Small Bets In A Wa/wb Situation

[DonkSlayer 1]

This happened in a $24 SNG earlier, didn't save the HH but it's been bugging me. My stack: t3000~Villain: T2000~Still 7 left.Villain was erratic, playing a lot of hands, limping IP and OOP, rarely checked when checked to. Hero in LP with A10hh. Blinds at 25/50.Villain limps UTG. Folds to hero who raises to t220. Folds to villain who calls. Pot t500~Flop 9 10 2 rainbow. Villain donkbets t500~. Hero gets through about half of his time and calls.Turn 9, completing the rainbow. Villain leads for t200. Hero?

[SwolyswoND 1]

Raise flop. You will get value from worse T, and lots of straight draws, and sometimes even 9x if villain is bad.As played, call and get to SD cheap if possible. If river is a blank and villain bets big, its probably read dependent.

[Mongoose6 0]

Swoly, you dont raise turn as played?Like he says tho, you gotta raise on flop, villain is playing a lot of hands, hence he could be holding a wide range of hands. He will prob call you with 10-x mabye even 9-x. What if he is bluffing with k-q and the turn hits his q or k?like you said, villain is erratic, so make him pay. IMO though, what do others think?Out of interest why did you just call the flop? scared of an overpair?

[SwolyswoND 1]

No, as played to the turn, I'm not sure there's enough in the raise for value range. Tx will be more scared now, straight draws have only one chance to hit instead of two. 9x is a decent enough part of villains flop donking range, and that turn bet looks like he's trying to induce a spaz.

[donk4life 34]

No, as played to the turn, I'm not sure there's enough in the raise for value range. Tx will be more scared now, straight draws have only one chance to hit instead of two. 9x is a decent enough part of villains flop donking range, and that turn bet looks like he's trying to induce a spaz.

If the player is bad, I think that bet is more of a scared blocker bet than an inducing bet.

[SwolyswoND 1]

If the player is bad, I think that bet is more of a scared blocker bet than an inducing bet.

And if that is the case, shouldn't we just flat the turn and bet small on a blank river if checked to? If he is throwing a blocker, we're ahead but he's folding to a turn raise.

[Fade2241 0]

Raise flop. You will get value from worse T, and lots of straight draws, and sometimes even 9x if villain is bad.As played, call and get to SD cheap if possible. If river is a blank and villain bets big, its probably read dependent.

I mostly agree with you! It's a miracle lol! I def agree with the flop raise. Because Hero didn't raise the flop we are stuck with a retarded spot on the turn. I agree the others that it's most likely a blocker bet and we should raise about $500 to $700 total but there are also def times this can be an inducing value bet, inviting a raise. My final answer: Raise turn as played but be very aware that you could get burned so my answer is Raise flop, lol

[Dhall901 0]

Yea..raise the flop. As played I'd assume villian hit trips. The turn bet seems to beg for a call. That being said I probably call the 2 and see what happens on the river...

[aggie3 0]

Yea..raise the flop. As played I'd assume villian hit trips. The turn bet seems to beg for a call. That being said I probably call the 2 and see what happens on the river...

lol at this being trips, if he hit the 9 he would bet at least 500 again on the turn. He doesn't need to 'beg' for a call as you already showed a willingness to call a big bet on the flop. This is almost always a blocker bet imo, make life easy on yourself and raise the flop. I put villain on small to medium pp KT, QT or two overs with the straight draw.

[SwolyswoND 1]

lol at this being trips, if he hit the 9 he would bet at least 500 again on the turn. He doesn't need to 'beg' for a call as you already showed a willingness to call a big bet on the flop. This is almost always a blocker bet imo, make life easy on yourself and raise the flop. I put villain on small to medium pp KT, QT or two overs with the straight draw.

It's not begging for a call, it's probably begging for a spaz raise. 9x is most certainly in his range here, we cannot discount it.

[aggie3 0]

It's not begging for a call, it's probably begging for a spaz raise. 9x is most certainly in his range here, we cannot discount it.

I never said 9x wasn't part of his range, I just think that the bet means blocker>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>over 9x

[tbrick412 0]

shove flop

[donk4life 34]

And if that is the case, shouldn't we just flat the turn and bet small on a blank river if checked to? If he is throwing a blocker, we're ahead but he's folding to a turn raise.

I mean, I guess this is player dependent. But in most of these cases the villain has a hand like 66 or 77, QJ, KQ or complete air. With the exception of complete air, a bad villain is calling a turn raise. I just can't believe we are WB here, why would the villain slow down on the turn?Edit: This kind of even seems like a 10 with a face-card kicker. If he has a higher pocket pair then well played I guess.

[SuperJon 175]

And if that is the case, shouldn't we just flat the turn and bet small on a blank river if checked to? If he is throwing a blocker, we're ahead but he's folding to a turn raise.

Agree.Raising the turn gets weaker hands to fold, but also allows him to bluff you off the possible best hand.I'm calling almost any river bet depending on the size of the bet, and am defintely value betting if checked to.