Flopping A Set

[savagerebel 0]

PokerStars Game #18916940681: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/07/18 - 16:40:34 (ET)Table 'Corvus' 9-max Seat #9 is the buttonSeat 1: Sievy ($36.80 in chips) Seat 2: ElHinkey ($110.55 in chips) Seat 3: Flamin'Aces8 ($72.65 in chips) Seat 4: mwtalon ($9.25 in chips) Seat 5: Ken2it ($13.20 in chips) Seat 6: DukeRayne ($65.35 in chips) Seat 7: hanuman19 ($49.85 in chips) Seat 8: dobieatwar ($29.25 in chips) Seat 9: Pokewars3 ($89.25 in chips) Sievy: posts small blind $0.25ElHinkey: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [6s 6d]Flamin'Aces8: calls $0.50dobieatwar: raises $1.50 to $2Sievy: calls $1.75Flamin'Aces8: calls $1.50*** FLOP *** [Qs 6h As]Sievy: checks Flamin'Aces8: checks dobieatwar: checks *** TURN *** [Qs 6h As] [9c]Sievy: bets $2.50Flamin'Aces8: calls $2.50dobieatwar: raises $8.50 to $11Sievy: folds Flamin'Aces8: raises $59.65 to $70.65 and is all-indobieatwar: calls $16.25 and is all-inUncalled bet ($43.40) returned to Flamin'Aces8*** RIVER *** [Qs 6h As 9c] [4s]***SHOWDOWN***I don't know if I played it right or wrong. All the money got in so that is good, but how should I usually do this? Bet the flop or check it? Help please.

[mtdesmoines 2]

PokerStars Game #18916940681: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/07/18 - 16:40:34 (ET)Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [6s 6d]Flamin'Aces8: calls $0.50dobieatwar: raises $1.50 to $2Sievy: calls $1.75Flamin'Aces8: calls $1.50*** FLOP *** [Qs 6h As]Sievy: checks Flamin'Aces8: checks dobieatwar: checks I hate checking this particular flop. Really, any flopped set, I hate checking it. But especially, never check this. First, you should be betting enough flops that you get action with any A on the board with a PF raise. My philosophy is that I want people fishing for top pair no kicker or second pair and going to the bottom of their stack with it against my two pair or whatever. If you're betting flops and seeing folds every time, you're way too nitty. So we need to look at the villain's stack and figure out what we need to bet on the flop to get their $ in the middle by the river. Second, this really is a dream flop -- you need to start moving chips into the pot. I mean, an AQ6 flop with a PF raise holding pocket sixes and a flush draw on the board ... that is a DREAM. People go utterly broke to me with Ax here a lot. No matter how hard you bet this, it's getting called almost every time. You bet 4BBs (+/-) going into a 6BB (+/-) pot on the TURN holding a flopped set, with a maturing straight draw and a flush draw on the board. I can think of about 25 river cards you're going to hate. Make the game easier for yourself and bet while you're ahead. *** TURN *** [Qs 6h As] [9c]Sievy: bets $2.50Flamin'Aces8: calls $2.50dobieatwar: raises $8.50 to $11Sievy: folds Flamin'Aces8: raises $59.65 to $70.65 and is all-indobieatwar: calls $16.25 and is all-inUncalled bet ($43.40) returned to Flamin'Aces8*** RIVER *** [Qs 6h As 9c] [4s]***SHOWDOWN***I don't know if I played it right or wrong. All the money got in so that is good, but how should I usually do this? Bet the flop or check it? Help please.

[rdtedm 0]

Deffo bet flop because this nails a lot of the PF raiser's range.

[copernicus 0]

multiway pot this is def a strong flop bet. Theres a draw out there and the flop is bound to have hit one of them pretty hard. The only way Id check is if dobie is superaggro and virtually guaranteed to give you a c/r opp.

[savagerebel 0]

Dobie had been on the table for 2 hand before this one. He took it down with 99. I think I had been wayyyyyyyyy too tight to get any action if I bet the flop. In 200 hands I had seen 16% of the flop and was 7/7 at showdown. I had a very tight image.

[Temporary Nuts 1]

PokerStars Game #18916940681: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/07/18 - 16:40:34 (ET)Table 'Corvus' 9-max Seat #9 is the buttonSeat 1: Sievy ($36.80 in chips) Seat 2: ElHinkey ($110.55 in chips) Seat 3: Flamin'Aces8 ($72.65 in chips) Seat 4: mwtalon ($9.25 in chips) Seat 5: Ken2it ($13.20 in chips) Seat 6: DukeRayne ($65.35 in chips) Seat 7: hanuman19 ($49.85 in chips) Seat 8: dobieatwar ($29.25 in chips) Seat 9: Pokewars3 ($89.25 in chips) Sievy: posts small blind $0.25ElHinkey: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Flamin'Aces8 [6s 6d]Flamin'Aces8: calls $0.50dobieatwar: raises $1.50 to $2Sievy: calls $1.75Flamin'Aces8: calls $1.50*** FLOP *** [Qs 6h As]Sievy: checks Flamin'Aces8: checks dobieatwar: checks *** TURN *** [Qs 6h As] [9c]Sievy: bets $2.50Flamin'Aces8: calls $2.50

Raise here please. We're trying to get somebody's stack in.Also. If you're trying to find a fold somewhere in this hand, I laugh at you

[savagerebel 0]

Raise here please. We're trying to get somebody's stack in.Also. If you're trying to find a fold somewhere in this hand, I laugh at you

I didn't want anyone to fold. I thought I had the best of it and I wanted to get the money in. I just didn't think he hit his set on the turn. But generally if you flop a set is it better to check or bet. I know if the board is scary like 3 of a suit or 3 connected I am betting, but what if it is a mixed up flop?

[Temporary Nuts 1]

I didn't want anyone to fold. I thought I had the best of it and I wanted to get the money in. I just didn't think he hit his set on the turn. But generally if you flop a set is it better to check or bet. I know if the board is scary like 3 of a suit or 3 connected I am betting, but what if it is a mixed up flop?

If you're not raising your sets what are you raising?

[Moneyball16 0]

I think people are being too results orientated on the flop. Without solid reads I go for the c/r most of them time here due to our relative position on the pfr. If we check and the pfr bets the 3rd player often gets put in the middle which is good for us. Likewise if we lead and the pfr raises or calls it allows the 3rd player to play with alot more information and with the 3rd player behind on a flop like this I dont think the pfr will bluff raise that often due to being scared not only of us but by the 3rd player behind him.Also raise the turn as played. Its time to build a pot and alot of scare cards/action killers can come off on the river.

[Chris E 0]

If you were playing too nitty I think this is definitely a hand you could raise pf. By limp-calling you have taken away your chance at winning the pot before the flop and you're not giving yourself odds to draw to a set. When pf raising throw out a 'CB' and if they call your raise pf it is likely they have an ace and will call the CB. Then, just keep betting.

[Snamuh 0]

Whether to lead flop or check/raise depends on the opponent. If the opponent c-bets their air in multiway pots, definitely go for the check raise. If I don't think he's going to lead with missed hands, I just lead.

[AcesOnFire 0]

I fold or raise preflop, firstly, then I bet 3/4 pot on the flop. Always.

[Snamuh 0]

I fold or raise preflop, firstly, then I bet 3/4 pot on the flop. Always.

I agree with what I bolded, but I think the size of your bet should fluctuate based on the drawiness of the board. While 75% is a decent median amount, I would bet my entire range close to pot on draw-heavy boards and bet my entire range maybe like 60% pot on super dry boards.

[copernicus 0]

But generally if you flop a set is it better to check or bet. I know if the board is scary like 3 of a suit or 3 connected I am betting, but what if it is a mixed up flop?

The most important criteria for slowplaying is 1) whether a villain who is behind will give you action anyway or 2) whether a villain who is behind is likely to improve enough to give you action but not beat you. (Other criteria are based on stack size and pot size).In this hand both of those criteria are failed....he's probably giving you action with most of his preflop range hes behind with or if hes behind and improves its either to a flush or set more often than it is to 2 pair (he has 3 outs to 2 pair and 2 outs to a set, but the draw hands with 8 or 9 outs outweigh that one out difference, even though hes on a draw less often).As snamuh said, if youre virtually certain that you'll get a bet from the player behind you so you can c/r that might outweigh the above criteria, but if he's on any pair but an A he's unlikely to bet, and even with TP/GK he may check the flop waiting to see a safe turn and to keep the pot small, so its rare that you could be so certain youre getting a bet out of him.