Please Vote On My Proposed Wsop Structure Improvements

[DanielNegreanu 141]

Here is what I propose for the various limit event structures. The $1500 through $3000 buy in events would all have identical structures with different starting chip amounts, while the $5000 "Championship events" would get special treatment, and deservedly so:$1500 through $3000 buy in events:1. 50-1002. 100-2003. 150-3004. 200-4005. 300-6006. 400-8007. 500-10008. 600-12009. 800-160010. 1000-200011. 1200-240012. 1500-300013. 2000-400014. 3000-600015. 4000-800016. 5000-1000017. 6000-1200018. 8000-1600019. 10000-2000020. 12000-2400021. 15000-3000022. 20000-4000023. 30000-60000$5000 Championship events1. 100-2002. 150-3003. 200-4004. 300-6005. 400-8006. 500-10007. 600-12008. 800-16009. 1000-200010. 1200-240011. 1500-300012. 2000-400013. 2500-5000***14. 3000-600015. 4000-800016. 5000-1000017. 6000-1200018. 8000-1600019. 10000-2000020. 12000-2400021. 15000-3000022. 20000-4000023. 25000-50000***24. 30000-60000 With these structures the starting bet amounts would be as follows:$1500 30 Big Bets$2000 40 Big Bets$2500 50 Big Bets$3000 60 Big Bets$5000 50 Big Bets It's EXTREMELY unlikely that a player would go broke in hour one in any of these tournaments. By level two, if a player broke dead even in level one, he would have the following number of bets:$1500 15 Big Bets$2000 20 Big Bets$2500 25 Big Bets$3000 30 Big Bets$5000 33.3 Big Bets The $5000 buy in events start out slightly quicker in round one, but are significantly slower from that point forward. That is exactly what the typical $5000 buy in player wants: less useless play, and more time in the meaningful rounds, and the structure I put forth would accomplish that. We've taken out the first level, and added two other levels of 2500-5000 and if necessary, 25,000-50,000. The $5000 buy in would have zero double jumps and the other events would have only one, at the very beginning of the event which would benefit Harrah's and those players looking to possibly play two events in the same day.

[Vick12 0]

I agree!(I actually never read and just wanted to be 1st to respond!)

[CBass1724 1]

Yeah it's like the current structure starts off like a NL structure...with only one catch. The betting is LIMITED and therefore too slow to get anybody out.

[nutzbuster 7]

Looks good. The beginning pace of that last one you were in was brutal....GL GL. See ya in a few days.

[Zeatrix 0]

I voted No for the following reasons: If I were to play a WSOP event I would want as much playtime as possible with small blinds. I've never played an event and probably ever won't. Still it's my opinion but I do understand the "pros" opinion.

[TB17 0]

I agree!(I actually never read and just wanted to be 1st to respond!)

lol you're such a loserHaving 30 BBs seems to be a bit low for a 5k event at the second level, maybe not for like 08 but for a game like LHE.

[DanielNegreanu 141]

I voted No for the following reasons: If I were to play a WSOP event I would want as much playtime as possible with small blinds. I've never played an event and probably ever won't. Still it's my opinion but I do understand the "pros" opinion.

Well, when you make it past level six and are forced to play craps you'd change your tune in a hurry... trust me.

[Spademan 94]

Craps is for suckers.

[thebottomline 0]

I've never played an event and probably ever won't. Still it's my opinion but I do understand the "pros" opinion.

Not really in the best place to pass judgement then really are you?

[DanielNegreanu 141]

lol you're such a loserHaving 30 BBs seems to be a bit low for a 5k event at the second level, maybe not for like 08 but for a game like LHE.

So you'd rather have an average of more than 30 bets in level two, even when it means that the average stack will be about 12 bets in the middle of the tournament because too much time has been wasted with the earlier play? 30 bets is a LOT of bets. If you lose 8 big pots in a row, dude, you should be out. There is always next year.

[cubsfan44 0]

rumor is you went out on the second hand today. care to elaborate?edit** btw voted yes for the structure

[nutzbuster 7]

So you'd rather have an average of more than 30 bets in level two, even when it means that the average stack will be about 12 bets in the middle of the tournament because too much time has been wasted with the earlier play? 30 bets is a LOT of bets. If you lose 8 big pots in a row, dude, you should be out. There is always next year.

LOL @ Teddy!

[gmanshade 0]

Daniel, what about this change to WSOP structure:you should be able to designate a surrogate to play in your place if you are incapacitated during the course of the tournament and unable to play. VOTE: YES/NOIf something happens to me in the ME this year I'd like you to take over my chip stackshippppppppppppppppppppp?

[Suited_Up 2]

Craps is for suckers.

Tell that to Al.Ask him how he did this weekend, lol.

[cwik 0]

I voted No for the following reasons: If I were to play a WSOP event I would want as much playtime as possible with small blinds. I've never played an event and probably ever won't. Still it's my opinion but I do understand the "pros" opinion.

There is a big difference in small blind levels in limit and no limit. Basically in no limit, small blind levels let good players be creative without jeopardizing their stacks too much. In limit, if the blinds are too small you can out play your opponent all you want, they still can't go broke cause the blinds wont let them.

[DanielNegreanu 141]

rumor is you went out on the second hand today. care to elaborate?edit** btw voted yes for the structure

I'm exhausted and am playing the Stud 8 at 5pm. I'm actually happy to go early:Hand #1: I raise to 125 with AK, get re-raised to 425 and call. Flop K-6-2 two hears. I check, guy bets 425, I raise to 1425, he goes all in. I fold, he shows AA. Hand #2: I raise to 125 with As 7s, same caller and the BB. Flop 10s 9s 6h. BB bet 350, I made it 1000, other folded. I begged her to call me, telling her I really didn't have much but needed to gamble early or go to bed. I convinced her to call me with K-10! I had 15 outs twice, and it came blank, blank.. Seeeeeeeeeeeeee ya!

[Spademan 94]

Tell that to Al.Ask him how he did this weekend, lol.

Your anecdotal hearsay evidence means nothing to me!CRAPS IS FOR SUCKERS!ARGHGH!Ugh, haven't started drinking yet, sorry for the outburst.

[cubsfan44 0]

I'm exhausted and am playing the Stud 8 at 5pm. I'm actually happy to go early:Hand #1: I raise to 125 with AK, get re-raised to 425 and call. Flop K-6-2 two hears. I check, guy bets 425, I raise to 1425, he goes all in. I fold, he shows AA. Hand #2: I raise to 125 with As 7s, same caller and the BB. Flop 10s 9s 6h. BB bet 350, I made it 1000, other folded. I begged her to call me, telling her I really didn't have much but needed to gamble early or go to bed. I convinced her to call me with K-10! I had 15 outs twice, and it came blank, blank.. Seeeeeeeeeeeeee ya!

Would u just win one already. Everyones starting to talk. lol.

[Zeatrix 0]

Not really in the best place to pass judgement then really are you?

LOL, yeah I forgot you aren't entitled to an opinion if it differs from yours

There is a big difference in small blind levels in limit and no limit. Basically in no limit, small blind levels let good players be creative without jeopardizing their stacks too much. In limit, if the blinds are too small you can out play your opponent all you want, they still can't go broke cause the blinds wont let them.

I fully understood this before you posted it, I'm not a beginner. Still, when I first read DN's complains about the structure my first though was: Yeah that makes sense for him, but if I was playing I'd love the slow structure.

[DanielNegreanu 141]

LOL, yeah I forgot you aren't entitled to an opinion if it differs from yours :DI fully understood this before you posted it, I'm not a beginner. Still, when I first read DN's complains about the structure my first though was: Yeah that makes sense for him, but if I was playing I'd love the slow structure.

Trust me, while you might think it's cool for your first ever event, the first time you are sitting there with an AVERAGE stack under 12 bets and forced to gamble too high, you are going to get really upset... trust me, seriously, trust me on this one.

[Spademan 94]

Trust me, while you might think it's cool for your first ever event, the first time you are sitting there with an AVERAGE stack under 12 bets and forced to gamble too high, you are going to get really upset... trust me, seriously, trust me on this one.

I don't trust anyone, being a cynic and empiricist by nature, but he's right, gambool sux in too much measure.

[DoinSublime 0]

There is a big difference in small blind levels in limit and no limit. Basically in no limit, small blind levels let good players be creative without jeopardizing their stacks too much. In limit, if the blinds are too small you can out play your opponent all you want, they still can't go broke cause the blinds wont let them.

LOL, yeah I forgot you aren't entitled to an opinion if it differs from yours :DI fully understood this before you posted it, I'm not a beginner. Still, when I first read DN's complains about the structure my first though was: Yeah that makes sense for him, but if I was playing I'd love the slow structure.

:icon_doh:edit - just messin' around Zeatrix, but you gotta admit that is pretty funny.

[doox 15]

I need a "I'm too broke to play in an event costing more than $150, so I have no credible opinion whatsoever" option in this poll.

[Suited_Up 2]

Your anecdotal hearsay evidence means nothing to me!CRAPS IS FOR SUCKERS!ARGHGH!Ugh, haven't started drinking yet, sorry for the outburst.

LOL @ outbursts BEFORE drinking.Not hearsay though.... Now that I think about it... it might be in his blog. (Edit: Yep, it is.)

[Spademan 94]

LOL @ outbursts BEFORE drinking.Not hearsay though.... Now that I think about it... it might be in his blog. (Edit: Yep, it is.)

Heh.No, I believe you, people have good runs at craps all the time.Playing vs the house is for suckers though, paying them a fee to provide you with suckers to fleece on the other hand...