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#3624724 Turn Trips, Now What?

Posted babylondonks on 20 October 2013 - 09:02 PM

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#3601168 I Run Like Daniel Negreanu

Posted akashenk on 17 June 2013 - 12:14 PM

There were so many unconventional things that went on in this hand. It’s clear the both of you were making reads and going with them, rather than playing your hands in any sort of logical or straightforward way, so it’s hard for an outsider who doesn’t know the button player’s tendencies or image, or yours for that matter, to make a good determination of the optimum line here. Anyway, here’s how I would have probably played the hand and why:
  • I think I would have given strong consideration to squeezing pre-flop. Your stack size certainly allowed for it, and I just think it’s a stronger play. A lot would have depended on the image of the original raiser. If they were fairly tight and/or straightforward, I would be more likely to squeeze because they would be easier to play against out of position after the flop. And maybe if they were really tight, you could steal the pot pre-flop, which would have been ideal with your holdings. Flatting pre-flop is better than folding
  • I disagree with your estimation of how well you flopped. The flop that came could certainly have been better for you. You obviously didn’t miss it, but it is the type of flop that is just as likely to get you in trouble as it is to win you the pot, especially against so many pre-flop callers You basically hit bottom pair with a bunch of draws to second-best type hands. Even the miracle 6c wouldn’t give you the nuts. About the only turn card that could improve your hand without likely improving anyone else’s is a 5. But even if that comes, again, you have nowhere near the nuts. Hitting a flop like this, I would go into full pot-control mode. Leading the flop is the opposite of this. His flat on the flop tells you nothing. He could be on a draw. He could have a weak 8 or some other marginal hand. He could be floating. Again, knowing this player’s tendencies would be crucial to trying to figure out what’s going on, but I just don’t think you get any information from his call, which makes the lead out even worse. I don’t really understand what you based your read of him having A-high on. There are plenty of marginal hands people will simply flat call you with, as well as monsters and big draws.
  • The turn lead is a little better than the flop lead, IMO, thought it certainly wouldn’t qualify as pot control, and it would have been better if it followed a flop ck/call or ck/ck. At least at this point, you’re representing a fairly strong hand (an eight most likely). In reality, you’re bluffing here. As long as you know that, I think you’re ok. But when the button puts in that big raise you’re put in a tough spot. Everything being equal, I don’t think your shove is the worst play in the world since again, you’re bluffing and hope to have some fold equity. However, this is a very high variance play. Your opponent put in half his stack. Is he the type to do that on a semi-bluff and then be willing to let go? As it turns out… apparently not. His call was pretty bad, unless he put you precisely on a hand like 9Tc and was willing to flip a coin for the remainder of his chips.
At the end of the day you both played the hand in a less than ideal fashion, IMO, and I think he probably played it a little worse and got really lucky. Even though you put him in a bad spot, I think you need to question your thinking throughout the hand. You mentioned that your read was that he had big cards. I guess you were more or less right, but I’m not sure how you could come to that conclusion based on how the hand played out. Regardless, if that was your read, there didn’t seem to be any reason to play the hand as aggressively as you did. If he had a hand like AQ, then he had no more than 5 outs, and perhaps only 4. Why go crazy with a hand as mediocre as you had when in that position? In the end, as evidenced from your comments and the way you played your hand, I think you just overestimated how strong you flopped. One of the keys to playing any spec type hand is to know the difference between gold and pyrite. The weird thing about this hand is it would have been just as easy for you to wake up drawing really thin on the river as having him in such bad shape. That sort of high polarization, high variance play is certainly nothing out of the ordinary in "modern" poker.

#3601182 I Run Like Daniel Negreanu

Posted akashenk on 17 June 2013 - 01:32 PM

I'm glad to see no one has taken you out, donk. The world needs intellectual ditch-diggers. How are things at home with you and your pet poodle, trueAce? Or was he the master and you the pet? I can't remember.

#3601236 I Run Like Daniel Negreanu

Posted akashenk on 17 June 2013 - 03:48 PM

View Postdonk4life, on 17 June 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

you still trying to fold out hands that you beat?

sure... when the time and place dictates it. I believe that making protective bets is a tool that should be used from time to time. You, with all your experience, success and historical acumen should know that.

#3566798 Awesome Suckout

Posted EAPaaron on 25 September 2012 - 06:19 PM

View Postdonk4life, on 25 September 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

lol so his raising range is AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK, AQ, AJ A10, KQ.

But he raises A10, and limps 10s. makes sense.

But basically, AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AK, AQ, KQ and 10s all have you crushed. Which means that 8 out of his possible 10 hands you're a substantial underdog too.

So he never bluffs, so you know if you flop came all low cards he's betting and never folding right? Unless he has AK, AQ, AJ, KQ. Which in that case, he's checking anyway, so it doesn't matter.

My god you are the biggest retard I've ever seen. Can we play heads up? Seriously I'll fly to where ever you live and pay whatever the price for a ticket it is.

You would get destroyed. You have a small chance of winning. It would take a suckout for you to have any hope.

You cant comprehend the fact that I stated I know this certain person inside and out and his every move. I also stated that I wouldnt have done that vs the rest of my current table.

If you cant understand any of this, I cant imagine you are a good poker player.

#3566582 Awesome Suckout

Posted EAPaaron on 24 September 2012 - 08:58 AM

View Postdonk4life, on 24 September 2012 - 08:35 AM, said:

guy had a pocket pair, i'm going to call with q2 to try and bluff off a low board.

what about that doesnt make sense ta13?

Learn to read idiot!

#3561532 Tournament Hand

Posted akashenk on 12 August 2012 - 04:06 PM

View Postdonk4life, on 12 August 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

Hey guys, added together we've probably played millions of hands of poker, studied the game at a high level for years, and continuously try to make ourselves better. But, we'll never have the wisdom of some dolt who has been grinding his 1/2 live game at some shitty Indian casino for years.So there's no pointing in arguing with him, we just aren't on that level.
Insecure much?I agree you aren't likely on my level, at least when it comes to deep analysis of hands. In the online world which you are neck-deep in, you make your living by making standard plays without giving them much thought and taking advantage of a pluthera of bad opponents. You rely on playing multiple tables at once and grinding out tiny mathematical advantages. This may be a very luritive activity, but it certainly doesn't lend itself to "studying the game at a high level". You simply don't have enough time nor do you likely pay much attention to anything but the most remarkable hands. If you displayed any actual thought-based analysis in this hand, as opposed to ego-based analysis, I might believe that you are "continuously trying to make yourself better", but frankly, I think you are deluding yourself.