JJ Overplayed ??

[GregJP 0]

$40 NL Freezeout, 66 players, top 6 pay. We're over an hour in with our complete table intact. I have moved my stack from T1500 to T2200. Blinds are 50/100 and going to 100/200 in about 5 minutes. I have JdJc in MP2. Folded to me. I raise to T400. Folded to the button who reraises to T800. Folded back to me. This player had been the most agressive player at the table thus far and had won a few hands without showing. He had me covered by about T1000. At this point I figured there was a better than 50% chance I was behind, but thought that AK or a medium pair was also possible. I decided to call to see the flop. This left me with T1400 and the blinds about to go to 100/200. The flop was 2d3d7d. At this point I thought it was a good flop for me. I would have probably checked and folded if there was an A or K on the flop. But here I had an overpair to the flop and a flush draw with my Jd. If I bet and was raised I would be at the point where I was pretty well pot committed. I decided I was going to either check and fold or go all in. With the chance that he had AK and the diamond draw I decided to go all in. He called with two red kings and I was toast. I think a month ago I was just playing to stay alive as long as possible in these tournaments. But I decided that the only way to make the money with the blinds going up every 15 minutes is to look for a spot to double up that is at worst a coin flip and go for it. As it turns out here I was huge dog after the flop. LOL Comments on my play appreciated. (both the preflop call and the post flop all in)

[NickTheKid 0]

With those ridiculous blinds it's a little difficult to get away from.

[CieloAzor 0]

Calling the reraise with a plan to fold when overcards come is pretty weak. I'd like to see you make your decision preflop.

[DCWildcat 0]

Calling the reraise with a plan to fold when overcards come is pretty weak. I'd like to see you make your decision preflop.

Agreed.PF was a no-brainer

[gobears 0]

Pre-flop, you have to put another 400 into a pot of 1,350. You're getting the right odds to call with jacks.The flop is a good one for you, you're behind aces, kings or queens and ahead of other hands. The J gives you a draw to a flush, although it's only 4th best.I think that the push all-in was fine. He just had a better hand.

[walktheplank69 0]

FOLD JACKS... It's the devils hand I tells ya.Looking at my stats In the last year and a bit I've gone all in with JJ agaisnt AK 9 times and won 0. (A nice round number). I've also bubbled TWICE in WSOP qualifiers against smaller pocket pairs.Seriously... It's the hand Satan put on this earth to destroy gods chosen few... In Fact, don't just fold em, burn em... Burn em all.

[Makata 0]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with calling with the possibility of folding on the flop. If he shoves, there's very little chance that player will fold, and JJ is far from the best possible hand. If by calling you get to see a flop of AK4, you can be pretty confident you are losing to 98% of hands that will reraise you and you get to keep the rest of your chips. Conversely if the flop is rags, there's a very reasonable chance he'd call the shove w/ AK/AQ/TT.Shoving PF is not the correct play. There's 4 betting rounds, why use only 1?As for the hand itself, you simply got a great second best hand and with such fast blind structures you simply had to take a stand at some point.

[JackDeuce 0]

FOLD JACKS... It's the devils hand I tells ya.Looking at my stats In the last year and a bit I've gone all in with JJ agaisnt AK 9 times and won 0. (A nice round number). I've also bubbled TWICE in WSOP qualifiers against smaller pocket pairs.Seriously... It's the hand Satan put on this earth to destroy gods chosen few... In Fact, don't just fold em, burn em... Burn em all.

Haha! Thats how I feel about QQ. I bet im the only person who plays poker and looks down at pocket QQ's and curses silently to thier self :wink: And like others said with blinds like that and going up soon you had to move somewhere. You just got "un-lucky" as lame as that sounds. :roll:

[CieloAzor 0]

You guys make some good arguments for calling preflop. It's not such a bad play, upon further review.If you think you're behind, calling for set value is a pretty marginal play. You'll flop a set about 1 in 8 times. You need to invest 400 more to see the flop. Assuming that you win the hand and double up every time you flop your set, you'd still only win 3,150 from this play (1,750 in the pot after your call + 1,400 you have left; just shy of what you need). Realistically, you won't win and automatically double up every time, but you'll also see some free turn cards when it gets checked through. Personally, I'd consider folding if I expected I was beat preflop. Your stack is rather short, and calling off 400 more chips is significant. I think it's very close though, and I may play it either way when the situation arises.If you suspect you're ahead of his range of hands, I like pushing. As previously stated, there's little chance of your opponent folding. Seeing the flop has its advantages, but it also has some disadvantages. A flop of all undercards isn't going to save you when you're facing an overpair. But a flop with an A or a K could cost you, even when your opponent misses the flop. Lets say he's got a hand like TT. Overcards on the flop will likely kill your action. Worse yet, he's got the betting lead and will probably steal this pot from you. If this happens even rarely, you're making a huge mistake. You've turned a potential double up into a semi-crippling loss.

[GregJP 0]

Hey Guys,Thanks for all of the replies.I think I played the hand OK and it was just one of those things.

[BiggestE22 0]

You played it OK, but IMO your position (2nd in?) hurt you more than anything. I understand raising to remove possible callers, but raising w/ a pair of jacks in such an early position can end up being a problem...

[jack24bauer24 0]

You guys make some good arguments for calling preflop. It's not such a bad play, upon further review.If you think you're behind, calling for set value is a pretty marginal play. You'll flop a set about 1 in 8 times. You need to invest 400 more to see the flop. Assuming that you win the hand and double up every time you flop your set, you'd still only win 3,150 from this play (1,750 in the pot after your call + 1,400 you have left; just shy of what you need). Realistically, you won't win and automatically double up every time, but you'll also see some free turn cards when it gets checked through. Personally, I'd consider folding if I expected I was beat preflop. Your stack is rather short, and calling off 400 more chips is significant. I think it's very close though, and I may play it either way when the situation arises.If you suspect you're ahead of his range of hands, I like pushing. As previously stated, there's little chance of your opponent folding. Seeing the flop has its advantages, but it also has some disadvantages. A flop of all undercards isn't going to save you when you're facing an overpair. But a flop with an A or a K could cost you, even when your opponent misses the flop. Lets say he's got a hand like TT. Overcards on the flop will likely kill your action. Worse yet, he's got the betting lead and will probably steal this pot from you. If this happens even rarely, you're making a huge mistake. You've turned a potential double up into a semi-crippling loss.

A lot of players with small to medium pairs when they become somewhat short stacked like the stop and go play....instead of pushing all in with your pair preflop, call the raise preflop then go all in on the flop...if someone has ak and aq and misses their hand on the flop they are likely to fold for an all in on the flop, whereas they are going to call preflop to see all 5 cards.