Second Nuts With Playback, Settle For A Decent Pot Or Push All-in?

[DelftDragons 0]

Okay, I was wandering what your opinion is on the best move. 380 player MTT tournie. Top 4 get a ticket to WPT in Vegas. It's about 2 hours in and I have been playing very tight. Just lost a hand to an overflush on the big blind so my stack is now with 4500 slightly < averidge. Blinds are 100/50.In position I see Qc/10c. Early position call's, mp3 raises to 200. I decide to exploit my tight image and raise to 600.Blinds fold, EP calls, MP3 call.Flop:Ah, 3c,4cAction:Check-Check-I bet 400, EP folds, MP3 raises to 800, I call.TurnKc (Board Ah, 3c,4c,Kc)Action:Check-CheckRiver5d (Board Ah, 3c,4c,Kc,5d)Action:Check-I bet 700, MP3 raises to 1400.Now what is the smart move? I know MP3 made a hand. He check-raised me 2 times and this raise is to small to push me of anything but a total bluff. He could have hit a 2 pair (A/k,A/4?, but I don't think so), A set is more likely with a small pocket pair (he only bairly raised pre-flop). I have the second nuts and about 2000 in chips. Do I just call leaving me with around 1300 to play with when I'm wrong (decent pot of around 5500 already) or do I shove all-in trying to maximize my chips? You don't get the second nuts that often.

[Metternich 0]

shove and its not even close. BBFIDTSI'm suspicious of the preflop RR. Are the players honestly good enough/paying close enough attention to consider you tight and fold or are you tilty and 3-betting light with 2 suited cards?

[sjm20 0]

Why isn't a straight in his range??

[Sheiky 0]

Bet the turn.Unless i'm mistaken, you have the second nuts.

[MikeBauer26 0]

The K is on the board. The Q is on your hand.Ugly--- The plausible hand that beats you here is 20% A J and 80% a small suited A minraised by some wannabe smallballing genius.Given his play it makes sense. He is getting fairly good odds to call with it.On the Flop his check raise suggests he wants to know if his ace is good.I would actually shove here FTW. Then I would cry when he flips over A 2 and decide to stop playing tourneys once more

[sjm20 0]

I don't think Ac2c is in his range. Actually, I don't think any Acxc is in his range. I don't understand how even a smallball player doesn't get more chips in on the flop with a hand that big:AcJc is definitely getting it in on the flopAc2c is crazy if they don't get it in on the flopDoes a hand like Ad2d make sense here?What about a goofy hand like 5c7c or 56 soooted?I think the one thing the OP is missing is the villain's stack size. If he's short, or close to even with the OP, the Acxc makes sense, but isn't a player playing against a smaller player going to put more pressure on in this spot? The minraise on the flop is so weird, I'm having a lot of trouble putting him on any hand. I just think it's way too hard to give the villain an ace high flush here...W/e, shove FTW, I guess?"I have the second nuts and about 2000 in chips. Do I just call leaving me with around 1300 to play with when I'm wrong (decent pot of around 5500 already) or do I shove all-in trying to maximize my chips? You don't get the second nuts that often."...I just realized you have 1300 chips behind, this guy has to call with any hand here. Why not shove?

[DelftDragons 0]

I'm suspicious of the preflop RR. Are the players honestly good enough/paying close enough attention to consider you tight and fold or are you tilty and 3-betting light with 2 suited cards?

Tournie is an invitational only to final players for WPT and WSOP in 2007. The number of Fish would be very limited.

Why isn't a straight in his range??

It could be, but it just didn't feel like it. I couldn't see him playing with a deuce, mayby some crap like a 6/7 suited.

...I just realized you have 1300 chips behind, this guy has to call with any hand here. Why not shove?

Well, that's my question, I would have 1300 left if I call his raise and loose. If I shove he will call since I am sure he's got something.Should I gamble my tournie life for 1300 extra chips on second nuts or just call?

[copernicus 0]

He sees a TAG raise from you, and then takes a somewhat retarded line of check/min-raise when an A flops. He has to think hes the favorite despite the Ace and the very drawish board, so Id put him on a set. Id even put him on a set of Aces if he is deceptive enough to not reraise them pre-flop, since he isnt afraid of your set of Aces. Even if he could call the PF reraise with AJc,ATc and take this line, thats 2 hands, vs 9 hands with sets so your a big favorite over his range. Unless there are near-bubble considerations I think you go ahead and get your money in.

[AimHigher 0]

So basically, you 3 bet a MP raiser with QTs and then bet 400 into a 1850 pot on the flop?The way you played this hand is pretty bad.1. If you've just lost a big pot and immediately start three betting the next hand people are more likely to think, "He's on tilt." than they are to think, "Wow, he's such a tight player.".2. If you are going to bet the flop you should bet a little more so that you're not laying two players 5 billion to 1 pot odds to call.3. There is zero reason for you check the turn to "disguise" your hand. He is not putting you on a flush, because that is not what you have represented. 4. I find it offensive that you would even debate shoving this river. Seriously, you have to get this in. It's not even close. If he has the nut flush, then that is just really unfortunate.

[DelftDragons 0]

So basically, you 3 bet a MP raiser with QTs and then bet 400 into a 1850 pot on the flop?The way you played this hand is pretty bad.1. If you've just lost a big pot and immediately start three betting the next hand people are more likely to think, "He's on tilt." than they are to think, "Wow, he's such a tight player.".2. If you are going to bet the flop you should bet a little more so that you're not laying two players 5 billion to 1 pot odds to call.3. There is zero reason for you check the turn to "disguise" your hand. He is not putting you on a flush, because that is not what you have represented. 4. I find it offensive that you would even debate shoving this river. Seriously, you have to get this in. It's not even close. If he has the nut flush, then that is just really unfortunate.

I really don't think the hand was played that badly. 1) I see, but it was three hands later and besides me the table was very tight aswell.2) The small rease was intended for 2 objectes:a) Get someone to throw there hand away (which happend).B) Or sweeten the pot a bit if the flush hits.3) I could agree that checking the turn is disputable.4) I did shove and lost to Ac,6c which he was holding.What also played is that I found it hard to believe the same guy would get an overflush twice on me in 4 hands, but he shit happens, no regrets.It did get me wondering though if picking up an extra 1300 is worth your tournement life?

[copernicus 0]

I really don't think the hand was played that badly. 1) I see, but it was three hands later and besides me the table was very tight aswell.2) The small rease was intended for 2 objectes:a) Get someone to throw there hand away (which happend).B) Or sweeten the pot a bit if the flush hits.3) I could agree that checking the turn is disputable.4) I did shove and lost to Ac,6c which he was holding.What also played is that I found it hard to believe the same guy would get an overflush twice on me in 4 hands, but he shit happens, no regrets.It did get me wondering though if picking up an extra 1300 is worth your tournement life?

Yeah, I dont think it was played THAT badly, maybe bit loose all around.1. preflop with position, aggressive but not awful2. as a probe bet a little small, but the named objectives reasonable3. turn is most questionable, if youre objective in 2 was to build the pot, clearly the turn calls for a bet4. if I understood his line Id try to find a way to have read it, but the check/min-raise is so bizarre with top pair/nut flush draw I still cant see a way to put him on the flush. A6 is such an awful call pre-flop to start with.

[kkot 0]

Can he really be checking the river here with a nut flush after the turn checks through?I get in in here.

[copernicus 0]

Can he really be checking the river here with a nut flush after the turn checks through?I get in in here.

Thats the best part of his line, imo! With that board a check may induce a total bluff or may induce a value bet for an A or lower flush. If hero has nothing, he's not calling any bet.

[Berwatchey 0]

you have a very good hand. theres a chance he was playing ace trash suited and in fact was betting top pair nut flush draw. but at the point in the nad you are at you really ought to just push. your read is likely correct. i would say a worse flush is prolly what he has.but your pot comitted and theres no way you can lay down second nuts here., unfourtionately it turned out you were wrong. but his hand was well disguised.

[Max_Powers 0]

So you play Q10 clubs, and end up making the second nut flush. What more do you want? Isn't this one of the best boards you could hope for? If you don't like your spot here dont play q10 suited. Yeah, you lost and that sucks but it happens.

[DelftDragons 0]

So you play Q10 clubs, and end up making the second nut flush. What more do you want? Isn't this one of the best boards you could hope for? If you don't like your spot here dont play q10 suited. Yeah, you lost and that sucks but it happens.

You don't get the question. I am certainly not unhappy with how the hand turned out or how I played it.The question is:In this situation, do you try to rake up 1300 chips more with the chance of ending your tournement OR settle for a decent pot with 1300 less, but the option (although you would need a lot of luck) to get back the chips you lost?