FCP Bob 1,312 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 I haven't read the article but probably agree with it. I disagree with bob. I don't know how you can consider someone who was imprisoned in a torture facility for his entire adult life an "enemy combatant". what makes him an enemy combantant was that he was fighting with our enemy in combat against us. He was a child soldier in combat. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 what makes him an enemy combantant was that he was fighting with our enemy in combat against us. He was a child soldier in combat. If "enemy combatant" has a legal definition, I'm guessing a 9-year old doesn't qualify under it. And it's not normal or legal to hold enemy combatants who have no useful information indefinitely without trial in foreign torture jails, especially when they are well below adulthood. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 If "enemy combatant" has a legal definition, I'm guessing a 9-year old doesn't qualify under it. And it's not normal or legal to hold enemy combatants who have no useful information indefinitely without trial in foreign torture jails, especially when they are well below adulthood. huh ? He was 15 at the time he was captured. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 huh ? He was 15 at the time he was captured. 15 is still a child. What was he doing between the ages of 9 and 15? Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 I'd like to know what Patty Hearst thinks. Link to post Share on other sites
iBeaver 409 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 "Anybody out there have an 8-year-old child? One of mine is 9. You know and I know that it’s an age when kids adore their fathers and try to please them. Why would we think that such a child, exposed by his father to violent ideologies, was old enough to have known better by age 15? With that grooming, that child would have no chance." I agree with this graph Link to post Share on other sites
Babying 613 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 huh ? He was 15 at the time he was captured. He should be tried as an adult Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 do you think he even had an opportunity to say no at any point? I'm not sure if you are being serious or not Wayne but I couldn't disagree more. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Babying 613 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 do you think he even had an opportunity to say no at any point? I'm not sure if you are being serious or not Wayne but I couldn't disagree more. That is fine but imo he is held accountable for his actions. Sad that it is in his awful world and to have a dad like that Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 http://ipolitics.ca/2017/07/09/cut-the-mouth-foaming-this-is-the-price-governments-pay-for-grinding-a-citizens-life-into-dust/ Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 That is fine but imo he is held accountable for his actions. Sad that it is in his awful world and to have a dad like that The money he was awarded is about holding the Canadian government accountable for their actions (or lack of). Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 That is fine but imo he is held accountable for his actions. Sad that it is in his awful world and to have a dad like that It would be pretty extreme for a 15-year old to be tried as an adult. Even more extraordinarily so if it could be shown that his parents encouraged the behaviour. I think that's all missing the point though. He wasn't tried. How long was he held in a facility known for torture and war crimes without even a trial, or charges, or even a presentation of evidence? He was a Canadian citizen and he was denied the most basic rights being a Canadian is supposed to include. Even if we ignore his age, unless you believe that Canada has been at war for the past 15 years AND there was reason to believe Khadr held useful intelligence, there's no legal basis for holding him in a foreign prison for that long without charges. Link to post Share on other sites
Babying 613 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 The money he was awarded is about holding the Canadian government accountable for their actions (or lack of). Yes lack of it, I understand. War crimes are brutal. History shows it. I knew he had a winning case and that is why the lawyer housed him since he knew the windfall at the end of the rainbow. IMO, was it the right call. Yes under Canadian law it was, but I personally can't stomach it. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Yes lack of it, I understand. War crimes are brutal. History shows it. I knew he had a winning case and that is why the lawyer housed him since he knew the windfall at the end of the rainbow. IMO, was it the right call. Yes under Canadian law it was, but I personally can't stomach it. To be clear, even for someone like myself in the minority position of strongly agreeing with the decision, I think it is very reasonable for people to feel nauseated by it. I actually applaud people like Wayne (and probably others) who are able to look past the ugly headlines to consider the merits - I'd certainly be hard-pressed to do the same if the situation was reversed. Link to post Share on other sites
Fenxis 99 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 IMO, was it the right call. Yes under Canadian law it was, but I personally can't stomach it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr In October 2010, Khadr pleaded guilty to "murder in violation of the laws of war" and four other charges at a hearing before a United States military commission.[3][4][5][6][7] The charges were created under the Military Commission Act of 2006 and considered by the US to be war crimes, although they are not recognized as war crimes under international law, and the act was not in place at the time that the alleged offenses were committed.[ And iirc he was the only one charged under the act. Also given that he was 15 at the time this really stinks -- and the fact they tortured him. Ya.. We seem to be digging a deeper and deeper hole of radicalization -- stuff like this doesn't help. Two wrongs don't make a right, etc, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Plus he only confessed after like two years of torture and there's no evidence that he actually did it Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 http://www.officialmikepence.com/ this parody website is really really well done Link to post Share on other sites
GOCUBSGO 77 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 My favorite part is the counter for "Number of Gays who have returned to the Lord" Link to post Share on other sites
iBeaver 409 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 It's "funny" sifting through this thread and seeing how many of us called this Presidency almost perfectly. I've been greatly annoyed almost every day for the past 207 days but today was disgusting. It's taking all my will power not to tell my few Trump supporter friends to eff off. Luckily for them they've been abnormally quiet the last 60 days or so. What a mess... Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 I understand how she feels, but it still feels like a two wrongs sort of thing to me. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Freedom of speech is under attack and people don't even realize it. I don't understand why some people hate others just because of the colour of their skin, but I fully support their right to voice it in a non-violent manner. Link to post Share on other sites
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