18 Person Sit N Go Decision

[copernicus 0]

Getting called 30% of the time just doesn't happen here. I'm not calling off my tournament life for a twice the pot sized bet with much other than exactly what I had here. I would never have played the way I did with QQ/KK/AA here. If I have JJ he's beat, which is certainly a reasonable holding for me given the prior-river action. I would have folded TT 99 here for my tournament life, he is not getting a call 30% of the time.

Youve got a small sample here, but a sample of thinking (and presumably above average) players, and its well over 50% calling. I dont see how you can claim that "getting called 30% of the time" just doesnt happen with such confidence.

[throwemaway 0]

Good discussion..I think I may try this overbet..It really can be effective I think, especially at some of the levels I playTskillz...Do you make this overbet with bluffs too?

[SlackerInc 0]

The stacks are too deep for a "delayed continuation bet" to the turn to be effective. If hero really has a hand he is going to protect against that board on the flop, since the stacks are deep enough to price out draws on both streets. I agree a smaller cb on the flop is probably better. I dont like checking the turn, because its an invitation for a bluff. It looks like overcards that cb'd and didnt connect. With a bet on the turn you say that youve had something all along or connected with the J, and they are a lot less likely to make a move on you. As it is, hero is in a guessing game.

What he said.At this low buyin, I'd probably call, but it would be a crying call (somehow I'm picturing 9-7 diamonds here, and I haven't seen results yet).

[SlackerInc 0]

I was just giving general reasons why overbetting useful. Copernicus also gave some good ones.

I agree with all the reasons you both gave, and I'll add one more: it sets up overbet bluffs later on. If, as one poster said, "the only good reason" to overbet here is a bluff, how then could it even be a good reason, since it will be too obvious? But now, if the table is at all observant (and at this level, certainly, they may not be), the next time villain gets to the river with a busted draw, an overbet as a bluff is a great option for him, as people who recall this hand are going to have a tough time calling with something like TPTK.

[tskillz187 0]

Good discussion..I think I may try this overbet..It really can be effective I think, especially at some of the levels I playTskillz...Do you make this overbet with bluffs too?

Yeah. But, honestly the bets are directed at different people. If I'm playing the avg $5mtt player I just assume they all suck. So if it's early and I hit like bottom set on a board with an A I'll shove at the PF raiser. He'll call a decent amount of the time, sometimes he won't or he'll show he folded and I may note it. I also shove at good players with big overbets, but usually only if the hand has played all the way through the river. They need more streets to figure out what you have and if it doesn't look like you played the hand strong, they either think you are weak or that you have the nuts. For bluffing I aim it more at the weaker players that would never call a big bet on the river because it must mean strength. I also mix it up from time to time with strong players just so it's not clear that overbet = nuts or close to it. Ideally you'll always be the best player at the table and won't need to manipulate pots to the larger side, but when someone is chopping away at you and generally outplaying you postflop in the smaller pots, this is a good weapon to try and level the playing field.