FourFlusher 0 Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 I watched some tourney where Bobby Bellande (sp?) got rapped for a string bet because he counted his chips in front of his cards. Then later he beefed another guy for it and the floor had to step in. The table had a white ring around it that I thought was the bet line, they seemed to say the stripe mean nothing, you had to have your cards in front of your chips and do all your counting behind them.Last night on the WPT, several of them counted chips in front for the entire game.What's the rule here?If it's "behind your cards", is the WPT just sloppy?I guess it is sloppy, the last hand the amatuer made like three or four motions to push all in without announcing an all in. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 They're always pretty sloppy on WPT.Someone could call them on it if they wanted to. Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 It's casino dependant and apparently the "behind your cards" rule is in effect in the Atlantic City casinos.And speaking of string bets, who else is disturbed by that Phil Ivey FTP ad with the string bet - "I'll see your 600 ...." Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 There should ba a line on the table and, if a player says raise, he should count it out, state it and push it. If he diddles around, looking for tells, that, imo, is abgle shooting and the person should be horsewhipped all around the town. Link to post Share on other sites
mx957 0 Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 I watched some tourney where Bobby Bellande (sp?) got rapped for a string bet because he counted his chips in front of his cards. Then later he beefed another guy for it and the floor had to step in. The table had a white ring around it that I thought was the bet line, they seemed to say the stripe mean nothing, you had to have your cards in front of your chips and do all your counting behind them.Last night on the WPT, several of them counted chips in front for the entire game.What's the rule here?If it's "behind your cards", is the WPT just sloppy?I guess it is sloppy, the last hand the amatuer made like three or four motions to push all in without announcing an all in.And the answer is "It Depends on the Poker Room." Here in Kansas City Harrah's wanted to put the "race track" into action for a while. Got a couple of tables outfitted with the felt and were ready to give it a go...but it's been over 6 months now and it's still doesn't mean anything. They have to 1) get the Missouri Gaming commision ok for it and 2) educate the dealers on the rules about it. Neither of which has been done (as far as I can tell) so the little white ring around the table is meaningless here. Link to post Share on other sites
quadaces 0 Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 I watched some tourney where Bobby Bellande (sp?) got rapped for a string bet because he counted his chips in front of his cards. Then later he beefed another guy for it and the floor had to step in. The table had a white ring around it that I thought was the bet line, they seemed to say the stripe mean nothing, you had to have your cards in front of your chips and do all your counting behind them.Last night on the WPT, several of them counted chips in front for the entire game.What's the rule here?If it's "behind your cards", is the WPT just sloppy?I guess it is sloppy, the last hand the amatuer made like three or four motions to push all in without announcing an all in.Actually he wasnt string betting the other player in the hand against him was the one string betting and Bellande was the one who was pissed.Might want to get your info correct before you post Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 Actually he wasnt string betting the other player in the hand against him was the one string betting and Bellande was the one who was pissed.Might want to get your info correct before you post Yeah, cause that changes the entire discussion they were having. Okay, everyone delete your posts and start over since this little error makes all the posts null and void.sw Link to post Share on other sites
Dr_Shakes 0 Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 Actually he wasnt string betting the other player in the hand against him was the one string betting and Bellande was the one who was pissed.Might want to get your info correct before you post There was an earlier hand where Bellande got accused of sting betting, but in my opinion he did not. Anyway maybe you shouldn't act like a prick and you know it all when obviously you don't. Just a suggestion Link to post Share on other sites
quadaces 0 Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 Yeah, cause that changes the entire discussion they were having. Okay, everyone delete your posts and start over since this little error makes all the posts null and void.swI think that would be a GREAT idea Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 That donkey on WPT (bellagio championship) last night goes, "i raise" and then puts in each stack individually really fast. I was screaming at the T.V. "STRING RAISE! STRING RAISE" if i was the other guy (medium pair) I would have definately called him on it.I was also screaming at T.V. everytime that idiot over bet his bluff and put a large amount of his stack at risk when half of his bet would have done the trick. and when he bet his pair of dueces (when every hand that had him beat would have called) and showed trying to prove how good he was. I would have laughed in his dumb face. I bet there was so many pros going "what in the world?" Link to post Share on other sites
Theraflu 1,035 Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 That donkey on WPT (bellagio championship) last night goes, "i raise" and then puts in each stack individually really fast. I was screaming at the T.V. "STRING RAISE! STRING RAISE" if i was the other guy (medium pair) I would have definately called him on it.I was also screaming at T.V. everytime that idiot over bet his bluff and put a large amount of his stack at risk when half of his bet would have done the trick. and when he bet his pair of dueces (when every hand that had him beat would have called) and showed trying to prove how good he was. I would have laughed in his dumb face. I bet there was so many pros going "what in the world?"does the TV ever talk back? Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 does the TV ever talk back?he sounds a lot like my room mate and he's able to throw his voice when he says, "oh shut up." Link to post Share on other sites
FourFlusher 0 Posted June 29, 2006 Author Share Posted June 29, 2006 The all in call before the other guy finnished his raise, and then asked what the minimum was, was pretty funny, too. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 The all in call before the other guy finnished his raise, and then asked what the minimum was, was pretty funny, too.obviously he's going to ask what the minimum bet there is. even if 95% sure he is going to call there is no need to put more than the minimum bet in. Link to post Share on other sites
FourFlusher 0 Posted June 29, 2006 Author Share Posted June 29, 2006 Of course he would. What was funny is the amatuer making the all in call before his opponent was finnished raising. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 "ah yes, they'll eat all the vegtables" -- the jerk"ah yes, they'll eat all the vegtables" -- the jerk Link to post Share on other sites
DB10-2 0 Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 i have another question on string raises or bets. i hate when people do this:action is to them.whether betting or raising, they grab a huge stack of chips, swing them out into play with the stack concealed by their hand, and start dropping them either chip by chip or in small 4- or 5-chip stacks one at a time.this happened to me in a tournament at harrah's and i asked the dealer how many times the guy was going to get to drop a chip before it was a string raise. the dealer said that since he'd announced a raise, he could do it all day long if he wanted to.i'd always thought that any chip moved that far out was in play whether placed on the table and counted or not.what's the rule on this one? Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 i have another question on string raises or bets. i hate when people do this:action is to them.whether betting or raising, they grab a huge stack of chips, swing them out into play with the stack concealed by their hand, and start dropping them either chip by chip or in small 4- or 5-chip stacks one at a time.this happened to me in a tournament at harrah's and i asked the dealer how many times the guy was going to get to drop a chip before it was a string raise. the dealer said that since he'd announced a raise, he could do it all day long if he wanted to.i'd always thought that any chip moved that far out was in play whether placed on the table and counted or not.what's the rule on this one?Varies by casino too.When I was in vegas... They had a rule at Caesars, that if your hand passed the betting line, anything in your hand was in the pot. So if you were going to do this, you are betting it all. Even if your hand was 3 feet from the felt, if it crossed it, it was a bet.The next day, they got rid of the rule, cause people had been complaning a lot lately I guess. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 i have another question on string raises or bets. i hate when people do this:action is to them.whether betting or raising, they grab a huge stack of chips, swing them out into play with the stack concealed by their hand, and start dropping them either chip by chip or in small 4- or 5-chip stacks one at a time.this happened to me in a tournament at harrah's and i asked the dealer how many times the guy was going to get to drop a chip before it was a string raise. the dealer said that since he'd announced a raise, he could do it all day long if he wanted to.i'd always thought that any chip moved that far out was in play whether placed on the table and counted or not.what's the rule on this one?it has to do with arm action. you cant put chips forward and then go back to your stack without announcing raise and you can't announce raise put chips out and then go back to your stack and put more chips out. if you are dropping chips in the pot you can drop them all day till your hand goes back to your stack. think arm action. some casinos have bet line and some don't. Link to post Share on other sites
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