Is Poker Gambling?

[kennyg1966 0]

swit's amazing that this has not been asked before!!

[BWToth 0]

I'm not sure what the discussion regarding common law v. legislated statutes is, but in THE CONSTITUTION which the one guy seems to take so much stock in, there is a section which states that any issue not enumerated in the constitution or power given directly to the federal govt. is then delagated to the states to deal with as they see fit, ie. state legislatures, etc. So states can make any law they see fit so long as it is not already given to the Federal Govt. and they can get enough votes to pass it.Many conflicts have arisen from such dispersion of power. (Civil Rights, Capital Punishment, Abortion) Either way, you are forced to follow laws created on levels outside the bounds of the original constitution. However you want to term them doens't matter. If a man says that forcing him to have a license plate is a violation of his rights, then he surely has the right to appeal to a higher court. I don't see how he won this case seeing as I haven't heard abotu a case going to the Supreme Court regarding this issue recently.As for gambling, Congress has the power to make nearly any law they see fit, and if they can find a way to create laws regarding online gambling and draft it in such a manner that if it passes a vote in both houses etc. (School House Rock how a Bill becomes a Law Song) then people have to follow it.That is until an individual who feels it violates his rights appeals it. Eventually a court might deem it to be a violation of the Constitution by Congress and the law would be invalidated.

[bhaas 0]

Do you ever wonder why (especially in this state) when the people (sheep) vote to take away more of our freedoms that the bullsh*t laws (code) doesn't apply to Indians? They are sovereign (free) we are not (slaves/sheep). Take the no smoking law as an example. Or the outlawing of fireworks.So what happened? I can see the task of unbrainwashing the idiots is a huge one. One of which I have no patients for. I figured most of this sh*t out when I was in Junior high shool. I'm 41 now. If I can do it, you can to.See Yick Wo V. Hopkins And actually read the whole f*cking thing.

[BWToth 0]

Do you ever wonder why (especially in this state) when the people (sheep) vote to take away more of our freedoms that the bullsh*t laws (code) doesn't apply to Indians? They are sovereign (free) we are not (slaves/sheep). Take the no smoking law as an example. Or the outlawing of fireworks.So what happened? I can see the task of unbrainwashing the idiots is a huge one. One of which I have no patients for. I figured most of this sh*t out when I was in Junior high shool. I'm 41 now. If I can do it, you can to.See Yick Wo V. Hopkins And actually read the whole f*cking thing.

When reservations were created it was codified that they were sovreign within the reservations. So they can follow the laws of the reservation, in the US citizens must follow the laws of the US. If a native american decides to leave the reservation and liven in a US city they are then bound by the laws of that city, state, and country.Is Yick Wo. V. Hopkins a Supreme Court Case?

[ForRealDD 0]

Don't care enough to read the responses to this thread (probably should have) but the answer is no..playing poker is not gambling....haven't you ever seen rounders? Most poker players are working, taknig no gamble what-so-ever, with no risk of monetary loss....Edit: pardon the racial slur, that's *taking*....but " I'm not editing because it made me laugh......

[Scanner313 0]

or what about the herion addict that doesnt care about anything but his habit and will do anything to make sure he gets the herion. he then goes on to rob an innocent person is that not a victim. i think that it is.

What about the guy who goes on to rob innocent people simply because he's a scumbag loser? Drugs didn't make him do it. And even if they did, the drugs are incidental. It's bad judgement that gets people addicted to drugs like Heroine in the first place. And it's bad judgement that makes them go out and rob people.Something else to think about... The fact that Heroine is illegal isn't stopping this clown from getting it, and using it now. So what's the difference? The war on drugs is a joke. It doesn't stop drugs from coming into the country, it doesn't stop people from wanting to use them, etc.And yet another thing to think about... What about all of the victims of drunk drivers? They are victims of someone's bad judgement who was using a LEGAL substance. But a ban on alcohol was tried, and failed. The same is true with drugs, and eventually the government will realize this. But don't seek a ban on alcohol because a few idiots get in their car and kill people. Severely punish the scumbag for his actions and maybe others will take notice that if they are stupid and do the same thing, they'll get a long prison term.When someone is victimized, for whatever reason, just throw the offending scumbag in jail where they belong. THEY broke the law and should be punished as an example to others.

[RyTime 0]

Do you know the difference between common law and legislated BS?When you figure that out you'll understand why you can't do anything any more.I'd spoonfeed this to you but I feel I'd be wasting my time.Are we living in a Democrocy?Doesn't have to be. As long as you mind your sh*t you can do anything you want. Regulation/code is fraud. Making you a slave. If they tell you, you can't play poker then they pwn you. Is the light coming on yet?

YES - I know the difference between common law (which is different at every level of our court system) and "legislated BS" - and actually, your answer to all the problems in the US - the Constitution - is "legislated BS".

[bhaas 0]

When reservations were created it was codified that they were sovreign within the reservations. So they can follow the laws of the reservation, in the US citizens must follow the laws of the US. If a native american decides to leave the reservation and liven in a US city they are then bound by the laws of that city, state, and country.Is Yick Wo. V. Hopkins a Supreme Court Case?

So a Sovereign nation was created inside a Sovereign nation. Unbelievable.I'm done.I'm not a Federal Citizen am I? Prove jurisdiction? It's so simple. Anytime (in a democracy) the people can vote to take away your freedoms. We live in a Constitutional Republic. NOT a fu*king democracy. Idiots.

[BWToth 0]

So a Sovereign nation was created inside a Sovereign nation. Unbelievable.I'm done.I'm not a Federal Citizen am I? Prove jurisdiction? It's so simple. Anytime (in a democracy) the people can vote to take away your freedoms. We live in a Constitutional Republic. NOT a fu*king democracy. Idiots.

I didn't say a reservation was a sovreign nation. That is a complicated issue considering the history of the Europeans coming and killing all the native americans and taking their land. You are a United States citizen, unless you are an illegal alien, or here on a visa. So you are bound to the law. Under our current system of govt. your only motive to change laws you don't agree with is appealing them in the courts or voting on new representatives in the legislatures. If you don't like that, no one is forcing you to continue to live here, but as long as you CHOOSE to stay you HAVE TO follow the laws whether you like it or not. And if you don't like it, do something to change it, and if you think that is a hopeless effort i suggest you go back and look at the history of the US and you'll see that with a certain amount of dedication and time unreasonable laws, statutes, and norms can be altered.

[brabz 0]

I'm not well versed in the entire legality of the matter and Constitutional law, so I'm just throwing out a few thoughts: - Poker has been defined as a game of skill by some lawmakers and can be a taxable occupation correct? California allows state card rooms, but no other casino games (roulette, blackjack, etc.) - If it's defined as a taxable occupation, isn't it conceivable that using the internet to play poker for profit could be in some obscure way equivalent to a person who runs an internet business of some description from home? They are using electronic tools to make and maintain their livelihood. - Final thought is that eventually, the government will have to acknowledge that there's too much free untaxed money to be had, and there will be US hosted poker sites.

[bhaas 0]

I didn't say a reservation was a sovreign nation. That is a complicated issue considering the history of the Europeans coming and killing all the native americans and taking their land. You are a United States citizen, unless you are an illegal alien, or here on a visa. So you are bound to the law. Under our current system of govt. your only motive to change laws you don't agree with is appealing them in the courts or voting on new representatives in the legislatures. If you don't like that, no one is forcing you to continue to live here, but as long as you CHOOSE to stay you HAVE TO follow the laws whether you like it or not. And if you don't like it, do something to change it, and if you think that is a hopeless effort i suggest you go back and look at the history of the US and you'll see that with a certain amount of dedication and time unreasonable laws, statutes, and norms can be altered.

I know you didn't say that. But it is. As far as being a "US Citizen" that would imply that I am a citizen of a corporation. That might not make sense to you, but you have to understand the difference between US citizen and an American citizen. This subject is worse than religion and more convoluted. To make a really long story short and hopefully end this post, we've all been had/tricked/lied to and pwned and it pisses me off. That's all I'm sayin.

[InertGrudge 0]

I know you didn't say that. But it is. As far as being a "US Citizen" that would imply that I am a citizen of a corporation. That might not make sense to you, but you have to understand the difference between US citizen and an American citizen. This subject is worse than religion and more convoluted. To make a really long story short and hopefully end this post, we've all been had/tricked/lied to and pwned and it pisses me off. That's all I'm sayin.

So there's a difference between being an American citizen and a US citizen?How?By the way...Indian reservations ARE sovereign nations. US Constitution, Article 1, Section 8. Read up.

[BWToth 0]

I know you didn't say that. But it is. As far as being a "US Citizen" that would imply that I am a citizen of a corporation. That might not make sense to you, but you have to understand the difference between US citizen and an American citizen. This subject is worse than religion and more convoluted. To make a really long story short and hopefully end this post, we've all been had/tricked/lied to and pwned and it pisses me off. That's all I'm sayin.

I agree with your general sentiments, about people being basically brain-washed into believing certain things and buying into a system that they believe is based on one thing, ie. compassionate christian morals, good v. evil, pull oneself up by their bootstraps ideology, but has entirely different motives by those in running the show. With it all boiling down to money.I think sometihng needs to be done about this problem as well, i just think you may have a more radical approach to it than i do. That's all.

[bhaas 0]

So there's a difference between being an American citizen and a US citizen?

Instead of explaining it all. I copied your question and put it in Google. This will give you a start.http://www.theamericanview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230

I agree with your general sentiments, about people being basically brain-washed into believing certain things and buying into a system that they believe is based on one thing, ie. compassionate christian morals, good v. evil, pull oneself up by their bootstraps ideology, but has entirely different motives by those in running the show. With it all boiling down to money.I think sometihng needs to be done about this problem as well, i just think you may have a more radical approach to it than i do. That's all.

No prob.My approach is radical because I'm so infuriated and pissed off at how the people are getting *** raped by our criminal gov. It makes me mad. And when I get mad I get radical. That's just me.

[InertGrudge 0]

Instead of explaining it all. I copied your question and put it in Google. This will give you a start.http://www.theamericanview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230

This makes me laugh. Real hard.This is a perfect example of people not really understanding what they are reading, taking it vastly out of context, making broad claims, and then denying that they could be wrong based on "the evidence."That link provides absolutely no semblance of a reasonable assertation.EDIT: Read that other guys posts on that site. He's a lunatic. Provide me a better source than a lunatic.

[bhaas 0]

This makes me laugh. Real hard.This is a perfect example of people not really understanding what they are reading, taking it vastly out of context, making broad claims, and then denying that they could be wrong based on "the evidence."That link provides absolutely no semblance of a reasonable assertation.EDIT: Read that other guys posts on that site. He's a lunatic. Provide me a better source than a lunatic.

Your lazy. Get a Blacks Law Dictionary and look it up yourself. Look up the definition of a "Person" while your at it and report back. Have fun.

[InertGrudge 0]

Your lazy. Get a Blacks Law Dictionary and look it up yourself. Look up the definition of a "Person" while your at it and report back. Have fun.

I'm lazy? This is amazingly stupid of you to say. You made an argument, provided a bogus source, and I asked for more. You should not be lazy and instead provide better evidence.Sorry that I called you out.And since you missed it, check out the Constitution. Article 1. Section 8.

[ForRealDD 0]

[SAM_Hard8 50]

[bhaas 0]

I'm lazy? This is amazingly stupid of you to say. You made an argument, provided a bogus source, and I asked for more. You should not be lazy and instead provide better evidence.Sorry that I called you out.And since you missed it, check out the Constitution. Article 1. Section 8.

Does our gov own it's own bank? Where does the funny money in your wallet come from? Who owns the federal reserve bank? Answer that and you'll know who pwns you. Don't get me started on the income tax issue. I'm not going back there. I told you where to look but you don't want to. Having me spoonfeed you is a waste of my time. If you don't believe me then fine. I don't believe much of anything unless I can prove it to be fact. Usually with a court case. I can give (spoonfeed) you the court case that proves our gov doesn't own the federal reserve, but I'm not going to. If you really want to know the truth for yourself, look it up. I did. And that was back in the day before everything was on the net. Remember libraries?Have a nice day

I'm lazy? This is amazingly stupid of you to say. You made an argument, provided a bogus source, and I asked for more. You should not be lazy and instead provide better evidence.Sorry that I called you out.And since you missed it, check out the Constitution. Article 1. Section 8.

Here I go again with the spoon feeding.GN 00303.120 Who Is a U.S. CitizenCitations:Immigration and Nationality Act: Sections 301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, and 310 A. Policy PrincipleThe following individuals are U.S. citizens: 1. ONE OF THE 50 STATES OR D.C.Any individual born in one of the 50 States or the District of Columbia who was subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. at birth. NOTE:Individuals born in the Harcon Tract are U.S. citizens because it is considered U.S. territory. 2. PUERTO RICOAny individual: born in Puerto Rico after January 12, 1941and subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. at birth; or born in Puerto Rico on or after April 11, 1899and before January 13, 1941 and living in the U.S., Puerto Rico or a U.S. territory on January 13, 1941; or who is a Puerto Rico native and was residing in Puerto Rico on March 2, 1917,who did not take an oath of allegiance to Spain. 3. CANAL ZONE OR REPUBLIC OF PANAMAAny individual: born in the Canal Zoneon or after February 26, 1904, and before October 1, 1979, and at least one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of the claimant's birth; or born in the Republic of Panamaon or after February 26, 1904to at least one parent who wasor is a U.S. citizen employed by the U.S. Governmentor the Panama Railroad Companyor its successor in title (currently the Panama Canal Commission). 4. VIRGIN ISLANDS OF THE U.S.Any individual: born in the Virgin Islands of the U.S. on or after January 17, 1917 and subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S.; or who was a native of the Virgin Islands of the U.S. and was residing in the Virgin Islands of the U.S. on January 17, 1917and who on February 25, 1927 was not a citizen or subject of a foreign country and was residing in the U.S., Puerto Rico, or Virgin Islands of the U.S.; or who was born in Virgin Islands of the U.S., was a native of the Virgin Islands of the U.S. and residing in the U.S. on January 17, 1917and who, on February 25, 1927, was not a citizen or subject of a foreign country and was residing in the Virgin Islands of the U.S.; or who was a native of the Virgin Islands of the U.S. and was residing inthe Virgin Islands of the U.S. on January 17, 1917as a citizen of Denmarkand who on February 25, 1927 was residing in the U.S., Puerto Rico or Virgin Islands of the U.S and did notmake a declaration to retain Danish citizenship; or who was a native of the Virgin Islands of the U.S. and was residing in the U.S., Puerto Rico, any possession or territory of the U.S., or the Canal Zone on June 28, 1932and who on that date was not a citizen or subject of a foreign country, regardless of his her residence on January 17, 1917. 5. GUAMAny individual: born in Guamafter April 10, 1899and subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S.; or born in Guam before April 11, 1899and who continuously resided in the U.S., Guam or a U.S. territory until at least August 1, 1950. NOTE:Do not consider the individual a U.S. citizen if there is an indication the individual or his or her parents took steps to acquire or preserve foreign citizenship. 6. NORTHERN MARIANA ISLANDS (NMI)Any individual: bornin the NMI Islands on or after November 4, 1986 (NMI local time) and subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S.; or born in the NMIwho was a citizen ofthe dissolved Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands (TTPI) on November 3, 1986 (NMI local time) and was domiciled inNMI or in the U.S. (or any of its territories or possessions) and who did not owe allegiance to a foreign State; or who was a citizen of the TTPI on November 3, 1986(NMI local time) and had been continuously domiciled in the NMI since November 3, 1981and, unless under age, registered to votein elections for the Mariana Islands legislature or for any NMI Municipal election prior to January 1, 1975 and who did not owe allegiance to a foreign State; or who was domiciled in the NMI on November 3, 1986(NMI local time) and although not a TTPI citizen, had been domiciled in the NMI since before January 1, 1974 and who did not owe allegiance to a foreign State. NOTE:Any NMI residentwho is declared a citizen by PL 94-241 may become a non-citizen nationalby making a declaration of such in any U.S. or NMI Commonwealth court. 7. AMERICAN SAMOA AND SWAIN'S ISLANDAn individual born in American Samoa or Swain's Island is a U.S. National , unless U.S. citizenship was derived from a parent or acquired by marriage. For SSA purposes these individuals are considered to be U.S. citizens. 8. BIRTH ABROAD TO U.S. CITIZEN PARENTSAn individual who was born outside the U.S. is a U.S. citizen if: both parentswere U.S. citizensat the time of the child's birth and at least one parent had resided in the U.S. or its outlying possessions before the birth of the child; or one parentwas a U.S. citizenand the other parent was a noncitizen nationalat the time of the child's birth, and the U.S. citizen parent resided in the U.S. or an outlying possession for a period of at least 1 year before the child's birth; or one parent was a U.S. citizen and the other was an alien at the time of the child's birth; (See GN 00303.300B.4.C. INS makes the determination in these cases.) or he/she was born out of wedlockto a U.S. citizen mother who had resided in the U.S. or an outlying possession before the child's birth (a residence period of at least a year for births after 12/24/52); or he/she was born out of wedlockto a U.S. citizen father who had resided in the U.S. or an outlying possession for a period of at least a year before the child's birth and had legitimated the child beforethe child attained age 21. (See GN 00303.300B.4.C. INS makes the determination in these cases.) NOTE:For births before May 24, 1934, legitimate children acquired U.S. citizenship only through the U.S. citizen father. Therefore, the claimant's citizen father had to meet the residence requirement. For births on or after May 24, 1934, either citizen parent could confer U.S. citizenship by meeting the requisite residence requirement. 9. NATURALIZATION A naturalized U.S. citizen is one who either petitionsfor U.S. citizenship and is naturalized in a District Courtof the U.S. or one who is collectively naturalizedby a Congressional Act or Presidential Proclamation . Collectively naturalized citizens are legislatively definedas such when the U.S. incorporates new territory. A child under the age of 18 derives naturalized citizenship without petition when both parents (or a divorced parent with custody or a surviving parent) receive naturalized citizenship. B. Operating PolicyConsider as a U.S. citizen any individual who meets the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) definition of citizen.http://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/CitesByTopic/USCitizen.htm

[bhaas 0]

Be glad you don't live in China. Yes this is a bit off topic. Here is an excerpt I just read of their penal code. DAMN!!![ Footnote 2 ] The fundamental laws of China have remained practically unchanged since the second century before Christ. The statutes have from time to time undergone modifications, but there does not seem to be any English or French translation of the Chinese Penal Code later than that by Staunton, published in 1810. That Code provided: 'All persons renouncing their country and allegiance, or devising the means thereof, shall be beheaded; and in the punishment of this offense, no distinction shall be made between principals and accessories. The property of all such criminals shall be confiscated, and their wives and children distributed as slaves to the great officers of state. ... The parents, grandparents, brothers, and grand- children of such criminals, whether habitually living with them under the same roof or not, shall be perpetually banished to the distance of 2,000 lee. 'All those who purposely conceal and connive at the perpetration of this crime, shall be strangled. Those who inform against, and bring to justice criminals of this description, shall be rewarded with the whole of their property. 'Those who are privy to the perpetration of this crime, and yet omit to give any notice or information thereof to the magistrate, shall be punished with 100 blows and banished perpetually to the distance of 3,000 lee. 'If the crime is contrived, but not executed, the principal shall be strangled, and all the accessories shall, each of them, be punished with 100 blows, and perpetual banishment to the distance of 3,000 lee. ...' Staunton's Pen. Code China, 272, 255.

[InertGrudge 0]

How does what you copied and pasted answer my question?What is the difference between an American and US citizen?

[bhaas 0]

How does what you copied and pasted answer my question?What is the difference between an American and US citizen?

Your joking. Right???I guess some people will never get it.If your not a US citizen then what are you?That was basically a paste from the USC.An American citizen is not subject/slave to the federal gov. Geeeeeesh.I'm done now.

[ColeSLaw 0]

Inert, you are wasting your time. I did the same thing last night.This 41 yr old redneck is quite possibly the biggest moron I have ever come across. He writes the most ridiculous things, then when confronted just moves on to another whopper."Take your nonsense to the militia forum instead."Ha, I was right about that one, given the wacky forum reference he provided.

[bhaas 0]

Inert, you are wasting your time. I did the same thing last night.This 41 yr old redneck is quite possibly the biggest moron I have ever come across. He writes the most ridiculous things, then when confronted just moves on to another whopper."Take your nonsense to the militia forum instead."Ha, I was right about that one, given the wacky forum reference he provided.

That was the first reference I came up with cause I was being lazy. Then I gave the exact description of a US citizen. But that appearently wasn't good enough either. What more do you want?