The "pokerplayer24 Is A Sicko" Thread

[screech 0]

Pokerplayer24 is a well known regular in the limit poker forums (and maybe others, but I don't read them). He offers good advice on a consistent basis. But that's not all. He destroys limit hold em. In just a few short months, he managed to "grind" his way up from relatively small stakes to 30/60. What a sicko!I, as I'm sure are most of you, am interested in how this all happened so quickly. Hopefully our good friend pokerplayer24 will drop in and explain his success story. How long it took him to move up the different limits, bankroll requirements, biggest upswing/downswing, and maybe some fun graphs.So whaddaya say pokerplayer24? Let's hear it.

[Verdimme 0]

Pokerplayer24 is a well known regular in the limit poker forums (and maybe others, but I don't read them). He offers good advice on a consistent basis. But that's not all. He destroys limit hold em. In just a few short months, he managed to "grind" his way up from relatively small stakes to 30/60. What a sicko!I, as I'm sure are most of you, am interested in how this all happened so quickly. Hopefully our good friend pokerplayer24 will drop in and explain his success story. How long it took him to move up the different limits, bankroll requirements, biggest upswing/downswing, and maybe some fun graphs.So whaddaya say pokerplayer24? Let's hear it.

I'm curious too. Enlighten us!

[Actuary 3]

his advice was always good.Not that I really know what good advice is.I'll guess he took shots, and that got him the BR he needed, ala PoppinFreshScreech, it's really funny you wrote this. I was going to PM him. I have not read LHE forums religiously lately and cannot speak w/o ignorance, but I senses PP24 is the kind of fella that knows what works and may not bother replying/arguing against the standard lines posted ad nauseum, or brought on by the newest winds.just a feeling, hence my desire to PM.

[aim786 0]

Lol finally someone posted this! I've always wondered that too, but I thought everyone knew abt it so I never asked. I have a few theories though:1) He won the lotto.2) He plays a lot of BJ and is running really hot.3) He somehow got his hands on his parents credit card.And, the most unlikely one: He's a good player and he's running well.Lol and yea, I really wanna see his career graph's/winnings!

[wrto4556 0]

i tihnk ive propped with pokerplayer24 a few times before. Propping does hella good for the bankroll and shorthanded skillz. It might be a different player, but im sure ive seen him around.

[PoppinFresh 0]

What is propping?He's run at 4BB/100 for 100k hands I think I asked him to coach me but he said I was a hopeless case

[wrto4556 0]

What is propping?He's run at 4BB/100 for 100k hands I think I asked him to coach me but he said I was a hopeless case

4BB/100 thats it!?

[No_Neck 0]

4BB/100 thats it!?

in LHE that is pretty darn good.

[pokerplayer24 0]

I appreciate all the kind words. Been busy so far today but expect a long post by my sometime over the next 3-4 hours.

[pokerplayer24 0]

Well I appreciate all the kind words.I'd just like to start by saying, really i'm nothing special at poker. I just put a lot of time into it analyzing hands and working to improve my game. For those who havent heard my story before. On Feb 6, 2006 I cashed for 1300$ in a 5$ tourney and after playing poker online for a while with awful BR management I decided it was time to do things the "right way". I started off at .50/1 and just level by level was able to move up to the point where I now have the bankroll for 30/60 or higher. The detailed version is this Limit Hands Winrate.50/1 9700 5.35 Ran well, was nice1/2 5900 7.72 See above2/4 18100 3.47 This was my go to level for a long time3/6 30540 2.11 First level where I really struggled5/10 15350 1.20 To this day my winrate here irks me10/20 15000 4.40 I run good 15/30 17200 3.65 I run really good 30/60 21000 .77 I'm maxed outIt comes out to something like 130k hands with my winrate being over 3.Now as far as advice and how I did it. First off the key to winning and improving at poker is to always be working on your game. At the end of each session I like to look at all the pots in which I won or lost 3 bb or more. By doing this i feel it helps my hand reading and I can also spot leaks on my part. For one you have to be careful to mix up your play. To often a good player will always checkraise a flush draw, or always slow play a set and after 40-50 hands their play becomes completely transparent. I'll often think i'm mixing up my play and playing well, then i'll look back at a session and see hand after hand that I botched up. Also if you're gonna play SH play as much HU to 4 handed poker as you can. By doing this I have made my blind play substantially better to the point where it is the best part of my game. I've been able to average -.1 from the BB and -.06 from the SB and this is my biggest strength. By playing a lot of HU-4 handed you'll be putting yourself in a ton more tough spots which will really allow you to outplay your opponents from the blinds and button when your playing 6 handed vs less experienced players.Don't run away from tough tables. When I first started I remember how everyone stressed table selection so much and in part I agree. But at the same time if you're 4 tabling, playing at 1 table where you might be at neutral EV isnt always a bad thing. Playing just 200-300 hands with screech I was able to pick up on a few things that helped my game drastically.Please when you have the bankroll for the next level, give it a shot. Way to many players are currently playing below the level they can beat. Its to easy to get comfortable with the level your're playing and just stay their. An example of this is screech, who is most likely a far better player then I am, but was still playing 5/10 when his roll was at 15k. So dont be afraid to take that within bankroll shot. Worst thing that can happen is you lose 100 BB, but more often then not you'll end up beating the next level and start making more money.Would like to end this post on a slightly different note. For me poker has always been so enjoyable because of the challenge. The idea of improving my game and jumping up to that higher limit. But at the same time I think i've missed out because I have spent literally 0 dollars on myself as far as splurging goes. I got a new comp, but lets face it thats for poker. Over the next few days I plan on moving back down to 10/20 and 15/30 and splurging on myself with the excess bankroll that I no longer need. A poster from 2+2 stated it perfectly when he said this."My goal with poker winnings is simple: use 'em to improve my family's quality of life. I see too many guys playing way too many hours for the sole purpose of building their poker bankroll in order to move up. Then, they finally get to a limit that they can't beat or just have a small edge in it and stay there (i.e. the Peter Principle). I think that most guys on these boards would have better lives if they stopped worrying about building their br in order to play bigger. "Originally posted by SKP on the 2+2 forumsI hope I haven't reached this point yet but at the same time realize that the level of play at 30/60 is far better then the level of play at 10/20 or 15/30. So in closing. Work on your game, really put a lot of time into improving your play, and you will see results. But at the same time I think its important to remember that the reason we all started to play poker was to make a little extra money and the importance of this cant be understated.O yea I just got a new comp so I dont have the program for pokerpatterns yet but will possibly post some later tonight.EDIT: My statsVPIP 29PFR19Folded SB to steal 77Folded Bb to steal 47Went to SD% 40Won $ at SD 52Aggression FactorFlop 2.6Turn 1.9River 1.1Total 2.05BB 31/10 -.1SB 36/18 -.06button 30/26 +.14CO 25/22 +.10MP 23/19.5 +.11UTG 23/18.5 +.11

[ricker 0]

Fantastic advice...bankroll management isn't just about playing within your limits but also making sure you're moving up at appropriate times.

[woodfrog 0]

wow what a legend

[Abbaddabba 0]

If you're looking to make money, taking advantage of rakeback, bonus and other rewards is just as important as being good at the game.I wasted a long time playing on party. Ive since started at absolute, getting the equivalent of nearly 100% rakeback. It adds an extra 2BB/100 to everything i make at the tables. The games arent even that much tougher. Plus because the player base is so much Those numbers at 10/20+ are amazing. Ive actually dont exceptionally well at 3/6 over my first 15k or so hands - im hovering at about 3.7BB/100. 2/4 was rough... only slightly better than 2BB/100 after 30k hands. 1/2 was another great one though, at nearly 3.5BB/100 after 20k or so hands.

[Jordan 1]

If you're looking to make money, taking advantage of rakeback, bonus and other rewards is just as important as being good at the game.I wasted a long time playing on party. Ive since started at absolute, getting the equivalent of nearly 100% rakeback. It adds an extra 2BB/100 to everything i make at the tables. The games arent even that much tougher. Plus because the player base is so much Those numbers at 10/20+ are amazing. Ive actually dont exceptionally well at 3/6 over my first 15k or so hands - im hovering at about 3.7BB/100. 2/4 was rough... only slightly better than 2BB/100 after 30k hands. 1/2 was another great one though, at nearly 3.5BB/100 after 20k or so hands.

meh. rake back is nice, but what can you do when you signed up for so many sites back when you had no idea what rake back was (me) and thus can't get new accounts at sites that offer rake back?i know party is cracking down on RB, or so I thought..but sites like bodog that offer rake back, and I play there now but missed out...kinda aggravates me.are there ways to "safely" delete accounts and get new ones so you can use RB? meh. i try not to worry about it, but it's aggravating to think of the extra $$ it adds up.- Jordan

[pokerplayer24 0]

If you're looking to make money, taking advantage of rakeback, bonus and other rewards is just as important as being good at the game.I wasted a long time playing on party. Ive since started at absolute, getting the equivalent of nearly 100% rakeback. It adds an extra 2BB/100 to everything i make at the tables. The games arent even that much tougher. Plus because the player base is so much Those numbers at 10/20+ are amazing. Ive actually dont exceptionally well at 3/6 over my first 15k or so hands - im hovering at about 3.7BB/100. 2/4 was rough... only slightly better than 2BB/100 after 30k hands. 1/2 was another great one though, at nearly 3.5BB/100 after 20k or so hands.

This is very tru. Personally i've always kind of stuck with PS so rakeback has never been an option but I know that at a lot of sites rakeback can be very important if you're playing .50/1-5/10 where the rake equalds 2-4% of each pot if not more.And yea for me instead of rakeback I hope to get into the bahamas 10k event next year, but we'll see how that goes. I'm a long way off and I tend to blow my FPP on ipods, tv's and other crap like that. :PRandom note to abba. Been playing some full ring lately and i'm sad to report that i'm now a nit. 19/12

[screech 0]

pokerplayer,thanks for the awesome post. Very inspiring wiht lots of great advice. I really like the hand history review idea. That's something I should do more of.As an aside, how many fpps do you need to get into that bahamas tourney? I may have to devote all my time to stars.

[pokerplayer24 0]

pokerplayer,thanks for the awesome post. Very inspiring wiht lots of great advice. I really like the hand history review idea. That's something I should do more of.As an aside, how many fpps do you need to get into that bahamas tourney? I may have to devote all my time to stars.

For the WSOP ME I know its 700k points. So i'd assume the bahamas one would be somewhere between 600-700. Once you get your VIP level up points are really easy to earn. Being platinum currently (takes 10k points in a month) I get a 150% fpp bonus. Since every hand that goes to the flop is raked i've come up with that on average I get about 2.2-2.3 FPP per hand. Once I go supernova relatively soon (100k base FPP in a year) my points bonus will go up to 250% so I will be getting over 3 points per hand played. I'm at 200k points currently so I figure i'll need to play somewhere between 150,000 and 180,000 hands over the next 7 and a half months in order to have enough points for it when the time comes.Edit: But yea starting from scratch now I think it would be difficult for you to get enough FPP in time for the bahamas thing. But at the same time i'd say a goal such as using FPP to get into the 2007 wsop main event and a few preliminary events is a very realistic thing for any mid-high limit player that puts in a decent amount of hands.

[pokerplayer24 0]

Just got done with a 6k+ hand session at 10/20 and 15/30. The end result -1800$.Boy do I feel shittySo yea if anything makes me a sicko its pulling sh1t like thisEdit: -2k forgot I got a transfer back from someone today

[Wingmaster05 0]

Also if you're gonna play SH play as much HU to 4 handed poker as you can. By doing this I have made my blind play substantially better to the point where it is the best part of my game. I've been able to average -.1 from the BB and -.06 from the SB and this is my biggest strength. By playing a lot of HU-4 handed you'll be putting yourself in a ton more tough spots which will really allow you to outplay your opponents from the blinds and button when your playing 6 handed vs less experienced players.Don't run away from tough tables. When I first started I remember how everyone stressed table selection so much and in part I agree. But at the same time if you're 4 tabling, playing at 1 table where you might be at neutral EV isnt always a bad thing. Playing just 200-300 hands with screech I was able to pick up on a few things that helped my game drastically.

This is one of the better posts i've read on the forum, but the bolded section is the one that hit me (and the rest below to a lesser extent). I was the exact opposite of pp24 in that when it became 4 handed or less i quickly sat out or left. Yes i was the d-bag who left as soon the the table showed signs of breaking. Blind play has always been vital in SH but I just swept it under the rug. Hopefully that changes in teh future.Oh yeah and reviewing each session with emphasis on the losing hands def. helps the game. You will start to notice your bad tendencies a lot easier.

[Verdimme 0]

This is one of the better posts i've read on the forum, but the bolded section is the one that hit me (and the rest below to a lesser extent). I was the exact opposite of pp24 in that when it became 4 handed or less i quickly sat out or left. Yes i was the d-bag who left as soon the the table showed signs of breaking. Blind play has always been vital in SH but I just swept it under the rug. Hopefully that changes in teh future.Oh yeah and reviewing each session with emphasis on the losing hands def. helps the game. You will start to notice your bad tendencies a lot easier.

Second.Because of this post I'm now focussing alot on blind play in particular.Good post Pokerplayer.

[Wingmaster05 0]

I hope I haven't reached this point yet but at the same time realize that the level of play at 30/60 is far better then the level of play at 10/20 or 15/30.

Eh? Go to party 30/60 full, i hear it still has the fishies.

[pokerplayer24 0]

Eh? Go to party 30/60 full, i hear it still has the fishies.

Always an option. Especially since I could get rakeback at party and over the last 4 days on stars i have played 9500 hands and contributed 2.5k to rake.

[hotbacon 0]

Always an option. Especially since I could get rakeback at party and over the last 4 days on stars i have played 9500 hands and contributed 2.5k to rake.

Party has rakeback?

[Jordan 1]

Party has rakeback?

yea but it's risky.- Jordan

[cu in 4years Dan 1]

nice work pokerplayer24