OrzyVibe 0 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Gang,Going to pop my online cherry tomorrow night....I've been playing casino $1-$2 NL full table cash games and the bi-weekly neighborhood cash game for almost 2 years now to decent success. What can I expect the major differences to online tournament play? I'll start out playing smaller entry fee tourney NL games to get my feet wet. Advice? Link to post Share on other sites
suicideking 0 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Gang,Going to pop my online cherry tomorrow night....I've been playing casino $1-$2 NL full table cash games and the bi-weekly neighborhood cash game for almost 2 years now to decent success. What can I expect the major differences to online tournament play? I'll start out playing smaller entry fee tourney NL games to get my feet wet. Advice?Buy a punching bag. Get ready to see the worst plays of your life. Play tight for first 2 hours. Link to post Share on other sites
FoxwoodsPro 0 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Play 6 handed not a full ring game, if you can make better decisions than the other 5 players consistently, your BR will grow a lot faster than a full game.Plus 6 handed you play more hands obv. and wee all neeeed the actionnn.J Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 bankroll managment is even more important online, everything happens so fast. Be prepared. I would also start at the lowest limit first just to get a feel for it. don't play 6 max immediately I would sign up for Pokersource online and get poker tracker for free. Link to post Share on other sites
21gambit 0 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Sorry, half the guys here are a bit dim.. You said youre going to play tourneys online right? Not cash games?Eh, Its a major major difference, tournaments are more about pressure than anything else...Im not going to write an essay about tourney play, theres tons of stuff out there. Your best bet is purchasing Harrington on Holdem Vol 1 and 2. Some of the best tourney literature out there. Link to post Share on other sites
violaman 0 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 If you are set on playing tourneys buy Harrington on Holdem and read it like your bible. Though since you have your experience in live cash games, I reccommend hopping into that scene because they are very juicy on almost every site. I also echo the words of NoNeck in that Bankroll management is what its all about. From a guy who has learned it the hard way and succeeded in online poker, enough for my purposes atleast, you must must must not gamble. Anytime you are playing stakes above your roll you are gambling, not playing solid poker. Also, one strategy not easily employed is dropping down to a lower level game after taking a big loss at your normal stakes, even if your bankroll is not significantly damaged, just to rebuild some confidence. Good Luck and defy the odds of the losing online players Link to post Share on other sites
21gambit 0 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 yeah, I guess Im the clean up guy. [bold]bankroll management breakdown[/bold]for NL cash games its typically recommended that you had 15 buyins for any level that you want to play, 1 buyin is 100 big blinds, so for .5-1 you would need 1500, 1-2-3K, 2-4, 6k etc. This is not a hard and fast rule, but one that applies to a tight agressive strategy, if you play a style that is prone to big swings then you need to have a bigger roll, around 30 buyins. Drop down if you get to 9 buyins.For Limit holdem the general rule is to have 300 Big BETS for any level you are going to play, although its recommended that you have more for short handed play, 400-500 is usually suggested. Its a bit excessive in my eyes, but it makes complete sense since short handed is much more swingy.so 1.2K for 2-4 limit, 2.4 for 4-8, 3K for 5-10 and 6K for 10-20 etc.If you want to play Single Table tourneys the rule is to have 20 buyins and drop down when you get to 10 to 12 buyins or if you feel like your competition at the current level isnt profitable. So if you wanted to play 50 dollar SnGs and they had a 10% virgorish(5 bucks to the house, 55 total buyin) you would need1.1K, 110, 2.2K etcFor Multitable tourneys I have no clue, Im guessing around 40 to 50 buyins minimum since moneying isnt a regular occurance, it depends on your skills and the size of the fields of the tourneys youre playing as well. I need help on this one.again BUY HARRINGTON ON HOLDEM,i get a nickle everytime I tell you to do so. Link to post Share on other sites
OrzyVibe 0 Posted March 23, 2006 Author Share Posted March 23, 2006 I've read both 'The Little Green Book' and 'Harrington on Hold 'Em' I....nice reads. I plan to play some lower level SnGs also....this isn't my career, nor do I plan to become anything more than a casual once or twice a week online player. But that doesn't mean I don't want to be the best I can possibly be. My bankroll will be $600....if I can't add to that without losing all of it, than I'll become even more casual than I am currently. I understand that most of you may be trying to do this as your occupation and that's great...good luck to you. This is more of a time-filling hobby for me when I'm traveling for my job and staying in hotels...or on a Sunday night after my family is down for the night. Like I said, I've been fairly successful at B & M's and in the neighborhood game...but that doesn't mean squat. I'm looking forward to the challenge. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Stick to the live 1/2 NL gameIf you;'re winning at it, stay there, play more often, infact, stay far far away from your computer altogether. Link to post Share on other sites
violaman 0 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you there gambit at least in relation to NL bankroll requirements. You have completely ignored the issue of how good you are in comparison to your opponents. Never have I had so many buyins for a NL game because my levels of variance aren't nearly as high as other players. I think your requirements may be appropriate for the Laggiest of Lags, whereas TAGs can safely play with ten full buyins or less.I may sound like some complete donkey but I have built all four bankrolls that I started from 100 or 200 to over 1k, many times playing in games with ten buyins or less. Quick adjustment to game situations and bankroll changes is what helped me succeed the most, and I would take those standard 2+2 broll requirements with a grain of salt. Start low and move up at your own pace but once again manage your money well. Link to post Share on other sites
OrzyVibe 0 Posted March 23, 2006 Author Share Posted March 23, 2006 Stick to the live 1/2 NL gameIf you;'re winning at it, stay there, play more often, infact, stay far far away from your computer altogether.You may be right, Royal...I understand its a much different game online. If I lose my bankroll, then I do...its not a big deal. I'm financially secure. But I do enjoy a challenging hobby. And there is absolutely no way that I'll be stupid about gambling. Never have been. If poker online eats my lunch, then so be it. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 You may be right, Royal...I understand its a much different game online. If I lose my bankroll, then I do...its not a big deal. I'm financially secure. But I do enjoy a challenging hobby. And there is absolutely no way that I'll be stupid about gambling. Never have been. If poker online eats my lunch, then so be it.Thats a good attitude, hopefully it sticks!,I was similar to you with playing live / online. I started playing at the B&M, and tried to go as often as possible, Unfortunetly it wasnt often at all.I only went once a week, sometimes only once every 2 weeks. Then i found FCP a few months after i made my 1st online deposit. I was getting cremed online at first, but luckily won a MTT for a 1k pay day, and that helped a lot.But, like everyone has stated, it is soo easy to blow through the cash online, things are fast and instant, and losing respect for the "number" on your screen is easy to do. It might say 2,000 on screen, but its easy to treat it as 200.00 Just be carefull, and try not to get addicted Link to post Share on other sites
OrzyVibe 0 Posted March 23, 2006 Author Share Posted March 23, 2006 Thats a good attitude, hopefully it sticks!,I was similar to you with playing live / online. I started playing at the B&M, and tried to go as often as possible, Unfortunetly it wasnt often at all.I only went once a week, sometimes only once every 2 weeks. Then i found FCP a few months after i made my 1st online deposit. I was getting cremed online at first, but luckily won a MTT for a 1k pay day, and that helped a lot.But, like everyone has stated, it is soo easy to blow through the cash online, things are fast and instant, and losing respect for the "number" on your screen is easy to do. It might say 2,000 on screen, but its easy to treat it as 200.00 Just be carefull, and try not to get addictedAppreciate the advice. I've got plenty to learn about poker...I don't let the fact that I've been mildly successful in cash games blind me to anything. In fact, I expect to get nailed early on online. Its just a hobby for me, but I won't deny that I'm competitive...I want to get better. We'll see. I plan on playing tomorrow night for the first time on Full Tilt (CrazyUncleDoug) Link to post Share on other sites
Scanner313 0 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Stick to the live 1/2 NL gameIf you;'re winning at it, stay there, play more often, infact, stay far far away from your computer altogether.Exactly what he said. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you there gambit at least in relation to NL bankroll requirements. You have completely ignored the issue of how good you are in comparison to your opponents. Never have I had so many buyins for a NL game because my levels of variance aren't nearly as high as other players. I think your requirements may be appropriate for the Laggiest of Lags, whereas TAGs can safely play with ten full buyins or less.I may sound like some complete donkey but I have built all four bankrolls that I started from 100 or 200 to over 1k, many times playing in games with ten buyins or less. Quick adjustment to game situations and bankroll changes is what helped me succeed the most, and I would take those standard 2+2 broll requirements with a grain of salt. Start low and move up at your own pace but once again manage your money well.You got extremely lucky.15 buy-ins isn't even nearly enough if you're planning on not going broke.The swings can become absolutely brutal if you hit a really bad run of luck.Talk to ChuckSty... He's playing NL cash games for a living now, and I think he recently told me that he doesn't even think 20 or 25 buy-ins is enough.I've played with as little as 5 buy-ins, and consistently cashed out money for a month or two... I've also dropped 5 or 6 buy-ins in one day just because of dumb luck. Trust me.. You need a cushion.I've read both 'The Little Green Book' and 'Harrington on Hold 'Em' I....nice reads.Oh, and Read Vol. 2 immediately.It's the real meat of the series. It'll take you to another level. Link to post Share on other sites
chrozzo 19 Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Stick to the live 1/2 NL gameIf you;'re winning at it, stay there, play more often, infact, stay far far away from your computer altogether.i agree, but im addicted now, so its a moot point for me...i do win though Link to post Share on other sites
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