1/2 - Aks In The Sb

[thecamelot 0]

MP2 is 47/17/0.93 in 60.I get so lost with AK sometimes...Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: thecamelot is SB with [As], [Ks]. UTG posts a blind of $1. MP1 calls, MP2 raises, 2 folds, thecamelot 3-bets, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.Flop: (10 SB) [3c], [Td], [2d] (4 players)thecamelot bets, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, thecamelot calls, MP1 calls.Turn: (8 BB) [7s] (4 players)thecamelot checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, thecamelot folds, MP1 folds.Final Pot: 9 BB

[Wingmaster05 0]

nice hand, i play the same

[doubleatrain 0]

That's what I would've done with that one.

[Zach6668 513]

Is 9-1 enough to call the turn? We have 6 outs, we only need about 5 of them to be clean to call here profitably, without implied odds.Let me add, OP, fwiw, AKo is my second most profitable hand, over 30K hands, so I might be doing something right, keep posting the AK hands, and I'll try and give my insight...-Zach

[Slipshod 0]

Hi everyone, my first post! Hooray for me!Anyway, I am relatively new to poker (about 7 months in) but I have been pretty serious about it ... reading books, watching it on TV (and trying to learn, not just passively watching), getting instructional DVD's, playing a lot, reading forums like this one. (BTW: this is by far the best one I've found). Just wanted to give you an idea of where I am so you can take what I say with the proper 'grain of salt'. I am far from being great. I do pretty well and I think I have a good grasp of poker but I know that every 3-4 weeks I seem to understand the game in a whole new light and look back at what I was doing in the past and wondering what I was thinking.Anyway... for AK I think you made the smart play thecamelot. I would put MP2 on 10 -10 or A-10.I think AK gets overplayed more than any other hand where people will hang on to it through the river when it should be clear they should give it up after the flop. It is a great drawing hand but too many people shove all of their money in the pot with it preflop.

[Actuary 3]

"It is a great drawing hand but too many people shove all of their money in the pot with it preflop"you had me until that.Villan has a huge range.As played, call the turn.I'm not sure I bet that flop.One of those things I do some and not others. This board is pretty lame for our hand. If these are tightish players, I could fire a shot.

[Zach6668 513]

Slipshod,Putting in money preflop with AKs is +ev. We win way more than our fair share of the hands with this, so there is no reason not to pump it. Furthermore, a drawing hand could use a big pot as well, if we flop a gutshot or something like that.The flop play is just fine here, a continuation bet is standard. For the record, your range for the villain is WAY too small. If I'm the villain, I'm making that raise with 77, 88, 99, JJ, QQ, etc. as well as AT, TT. Assuming he isn't capping hands like JJ, TT preflop, which some would. Either way. A TON of the time, we do have 6 clean outs.Getting 9-1 on the turn, we need to call even if our overs are only worth 4 or 5 outs. River of course plays itself depending on what card comes, c/fold unimproved.---------Actuary,That is a great flop to bet out at, IMO. It's very ragged, there's only one card that could be included in his raising range, so odds are that he missed it. If he has overs, he is probably calling, but he is probably dominated, and drawing to 3 outs, if he has a pair, he may be scared and not raise us, getting us to the river cheaply, with a decent draw, and there is a chance that our hand is good.- Zach

[Actuary 3]

the converter is messing with my headAgainst 2 opponents I like the flop bet a lot more.and Zach makes good argument to bet it, even with 3 villans.We'll often pick this up on the turn (when they all whiffed, as happens a lot)AK has always been a big winner for me as well.I can't really say any hand is out of line, given a reasonable allowance for sample size. MP's needed work, and now, I feel better about results there.

[doubleatrain 0]

After looking at it again, I suppose calling the turn is good here. I guess I'm just worried about reverse domination, but like Zach said, even if we can only count those as four outs, we need to call the turn. I do tend to undervalue overcard outs after all.

[Zach6668 513]

After looking at it again, I suppose calling the turn is good here. I guess I'm just worried about reverse domination, but like Zach said, even if we can only count those as four outs, we need to call the turn. I do tend to undervalue overcard outs after all.

I probably overvalue them. Its a good thing they only hit 6/46 times, otherwise I might lose more due to reverse domination, and RIO, etc. I'm not 100% sure about this one.- Zach

[doubleatrain 0]

I probably overvalue them. Its a good thing they only hit 6/46 times, otherwise I might lose more due to reverse domination, and RIO, etc. I'm not 100% sure about this one.- Zach

I think even if we meet in the middle on this situation, our overcards have enough to call getting 9:1. Don't get me wrong, I'm still worried about reverse domination, but the pot is big enough. Now my next question is, what do we do if we hit an ace or a king on the river?

[RISEorFall 0]

being OOP, I think we should bet if we hit on the river. Bet/fold seems best line in theory but I doubt I actually fold.I'm not sure I call the turn, though.

[doubleatrain 0]

being OOP, I think we should bet if we hit on the river. Bet/fold seems best line in theory but I doubt I actually fold.I'm not sure I call the turn, though.

I was thinking bet/fold would make the most sense, but once you put in three more bets, I can't see folding for just one more...

[Zach6668 513]

I think even if we meet in the middle on this situation, our overcards have enough to call getting 9:1. Don't get me wrong, I'm still worried about reverse domination, but the pot is big enough. Now my next question is, what do we do if we hit an ace or a king on the river?

Bet/call, I think. Rise is right, b/f is probably correct in theory, but I can't do that with a hand as strong as TPTK. He only has to bluff raise you here 1/13 times, or raise with a weaker ace that he played like a retard, in order to call profitably. Depends a ton on reads, and the donk factor.- Zach

[psujohn 0]

Given the lack of a PF cap can we narrow villain to TT-QQ, AT, KT? Maybe 88-99?I play this exactly like the OP but I'm wondering if calling the turn is better. Against JJ-QQ we have a good number of outs - though MP1 likely folded an A or K. TT or AT, KT have us in bad shape. I have this thing about playing hands where no matter what card hits I'm not confident that I'm winning. If the river is a A or K do you 3-bet given the chance? I sure don't.

[RISEorFall 0]

Given the lack of a PF cap can we narrow villain to TT-QQ, AT, KT? Maybe 88-99?

could be a lot more than that without a read. J 10, Q 10 maybe. QJ Ax KJ or some other random crap hoping we fold our missed high cards. what about either 3-betting the flop or c/r'ing the turn to force MP1 out (before we knew he would fold the turn anyway)? or am i just being way too aggro with that?

[Zach6668 513]

could be a lot more than that without a read. J 10, Q 10 maybe. QJ Ax KJ or some other random crap hoping we fold our missed high cards. what about either 3-betting the flop or c/r'ing the turn to force MP1 out (before we knew he would fold the turn anyway)? or am i just being way too aggro with that?

You think our hand is good? You are raising the turn for value, for a free showdown?

[RISEorFall 0]

i was suggesting raising to try and force out MP1, not necessarily for value, etc. With a random range of raising hands and this flop, I think we are ahead a good amount of the time, though.

[psujohn 0]

could be a lot more than that without a read. J 10, Q 10 maybe. QJ Ax KJ or some other random crap hoping we fold our missed high cards.

This is 1/2 and villain leads the flop into us when we 3-bet PF. Without a read ... the standard 1/2 player doesn't raise JT, QT, QJ, Ax<T. Most likely not KJ in that position either. KJs sure. QJs, JTs, QTs likely not. I assume a 1/2 unknown is 20/10/2 give or take until his stats show otherwise.Edit: Woops. I missed that we had stats on villain and he's way looser and more agg than the typical 1/2 player. Sounds like someone I want on my Buddy list

[Actuary 3]

with villans stats, I bet/call river if A/K hitsI really see no reason to 3-bet flop or raise turn, Rise.The times were are 3-bet, MP still stays with made hand, and don't improve anyway add up a lot more than clearing out some A/K outs.

[Wingmaster05 0]

I gave ourselves 4-5 outs as we dont have a diamond to cover for the flush, aned we are in bad position relative to MP1 we still don't know if our hand is good (outs wise, or a check raise). If mp folds it makes it a lot easier to call.

[Zach6668 513]

i was suggesting raising to try and force out MP1, not necessarily for value, etc. With a random range of raising hands and this flop, I think we are ahead a good amount of the time, though.

I'm not necessarily sure why we are trying to fold MP1. I'd rather had his dead money in there if I hit my A or K here.I don't think I'm ever raising this turn with just overcards, btw.- Zach

[RISEorFall 0]

I'm not necessarily sure why we are trying to fold MP1. I'd rather had his dead money in there if I hit my A or K here.I don't think I'm ever raising this turn with just overcards, btw.- Zach

If our AK high is still good (which it might be, nothing says he has to have a pair here) then I'd want someone who's drawing live to get out of the way. Like MP1. if we don't think our AK has any chance of being good, then no, I dont raise.

[Zach6668 513]

If our AK high is still good (which it might be, nothing says he has to have a pair here) then I'd want someone who's drawing live to get out of the way. Like MP1. if we don't think our AK has any chance of being good, then no, I dont raise.

I don't really think MP1 raises us with something that Ace high beats very often, if at all. I understand raising to fold a live 6 outer, but I think we are behind, and I'd rather have his money in there if we do hit our outs and he still calls with a pair.- Zach

[RISEorFall 0]

you dont think we get raised by missed high cards like AQ, AJ KQ, etc. or random retard bluffs by villains realizing theyre way behind like A5 or some crap? Cause I do, a lot actually.