Chips vs. Cash in High Limit Cash Games

[ShakeZuma 585]

After watching the high stakes poker show, I started wondering about why for some bets, the guys will throw out say $10,000 in chips, but in other cases, they'll throw a brick of ten grand out there. Why not just use the chips?I can understand in certain cases when the chips aren't large enough for the bet, like when DN bets out a hundred grand, but to bet the same amount and vary it between cash and chips seems odd to me. Wouldn't it be a tell?And no, this doesn't belong in the high stakes show thread because its about all cash games, not just the tv show.

[doublemeup 0]

If I had to throw in a real $10,000 chip, I would shit my pants.

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

If I had to throw in a real $10,000 chip, I would shit my pants.

Because it seems more real when its a chip instead of actual cash :roll:

[nritchi3 0]

Maybe there doing it for the tv. Just a thought. I creates more drama when negranu throw in a brick of cash combared to putting in a stack of chips.

[thrillsoft 0]

I'm sure the producer's wanted them to keep cash on the table for "TV Effect" and use that cash as big bets whenever possible to make it seem more dramatic to the TV audiance.Typically, you don't see cash on the table in a casino except for a brief period of time while the runner gets the chips to exchange it with. I think all this was for TV.

[ShakeZuma 585]

My main point in this post is that it seems like it would be a tell of some sort to me.I know in my home games (which I'm sure are just as difficult as the 4000/8000 at the Bellagio), if someone calls a bet with lower denomination chips, they tend not to like their hand as much as if they called with the bigger chips.I figured the same would possibly be true with the cash vs. chips situation. I doubt anybody here plays high enough stakes live to really know the answer to this, except of course Daniel, but if anybody knows why they do it, I sure would like to know.

[Socrates 0]

DN was the only one at that table with that kind of cash. He bought in for $1M - the others bought in anywhere from 100-200K. I think it was just easier for him to put in $100K with the stacks then it was to put out chips. The stacks had the other players covered when he did it if I'm not mistaken. That and he probably knew they weren't calling anyway.

[astros11ss 0]

it is just for drama/effect. i highly doubt that the pros who play for that much money actually give off tells like the one you mentioned.

[ShakeZuma 585]

DN was the only one at that table with that kind of cash. He bought in for $1M - the others bought in anywhere from 100-200K. I think it was just easier for him to put in $100K with the stacks then it was to put out chips. The stacks had the other players covered when he did it if I'm not mistaken. That and he probably knew they weren't calling anyway.

no, actually the one that made me notice it was the doctor guy, I believe. And he used a stack of ten thousand and a few chips at the same time to make a bet, thats why it aroused my attention. They all had 10 grand stacks and used them in betting in several instances. And I don't think this is only done for effect because I'm pretty sure they do this in other games as well.And let me go out on a limb here and say that I doubt very seriously that any of them are going to alter their game in any ways, by using cash or anything else differently, just because GSN wants higher ratings.

[davezz5 0]

If I had to throw in a real $10,000 chip, I would shit my pants.

Because it seems more real when its a chip instead of actual cash :roll:

Its the over way round,a chip represents cash.Theres nothing more real than the real thing. I Think thats why they throw the cash in rather than chips,It reminds the opponent that their playing for real money. Dn used this tatic several times. Against Shieky he was trying to show strengh, although he was in front(8-8..6-6), i believe he didnt really want a call and the show of putting the 2 bundles in was tatical, to remind Shieky about the "real" cash he was prepared to commit to the pot.When Brunson used the tatic against dn, i think he was hoping that it would be interpreted as a false show of strengh. Hence, when the players make a move with cash,in my opionion, it is dependant upon the situation and the player..Maybe dn will read this thread and give a diffinitive answer.

[ShakeZuma 585]

..Maybe dn will read this thread and give a diffinitive answer.

thats pretty much the only way that it'll happen, a bunch of people guessing isn't going to help much

[nritchi3 0]

DN was the only one at that table with that kind of cash. He bought in for $1M - the others bought in anywhere from 100-200K. I think it was just easier for him to put in $100K with the stacks then it was to put out chips. The stacks had the other players covered when he did it if I'm not mistaken. That and he probably knew they weren't calling anyway.

no, actually the one that made me notice it was the doctor guy, I believe. And he used a stack of ten thousand and a few chips at the same time to make a bet, thats why it aroused my attention. They all had 10 grand stacks and used them in betting in several instances. And I don't think this is only done for effect because I'm pretty sure they do this in other games as well.And let me go out on a limb here and say that I doubt very seriously that any of them are going to alter their game in any ways, by using cash or anything else differently, just because GSN wants higher ratings.

Actually i think these players would defineatly be will to alter there game in a small way such as this for GSN. Firstly how muc does it really affect them to use money instead of chips. These are pros they are capable of playing without many tells i think they can handle this. Second GSN is paying them a lot of money to play in this game i think Daniel said it was somewhere in the neighbourhood of $1000 per hour each. For that kind of money i think they will cater to gsn a little bit.

[chrozzo 19]

I ONLY play with 10k bricks in my home game.interesting question though...i hope DN will enlighten us

[nhexem2 0]

I played in a 1/2NL cash game where money played on the table. It seemed to be more to speed up the game than to make any difference in betting strategies. If you threw cash in the middle, the dealer would change it out for chips the, instead of in between hands, hence speeding the game up...matt

[tlane 0]

it is possible that the casino did not have enough high denomination chips to accomidate all of the buy ins... If this is true, having wads of cash are more accomidating than breaking down the buy ins with lower denom chips...there would simply be too many chips on the table for practical purposes.

[chantro 0]

it is possible that the casino did not have enough high denomination chips to accomidate all of the buy ins... If this is true, having wads of cash are more accomidating than breaking down the buy ins with lower denom chips...there would simply be too many chips on the table for practical purposes.

No it's not.

[benhoug 0]

I don't remember the year, but I read an article about the World Series final table some years ago where they played it out w/ cash. The blinds were still relatively low, but b/c they had the cash bundled in 50K bundles the players were betting in raising in 50K incriments. I guess the final table ended much sooner than expected b/c playing w/ the cash that way increased the action...