OrzyVibe 0 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 I'll take a live player any day and twice on Sunday over an on-line player... Link to post Share on other sites
Ramocita 0 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 most live players are better than online players.That's a laugh. I doubt you've ever played in a casino.Ummm......Did you even look to see where I was from??????????????Let's just say the dealers and the poker room supervisors know me by name..... :roll: Link to post Share on other sites
Ramocita 0 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 I'm not trying to offend you or get into a flame war, but honestly if you can't beat the game online, what makes you think you'll have better luck playing live? Are your reading abilities really that good, or is it time for a new hobby?Honestly...I am willing to bet that most ONLINE players can't beat the live games....Only reason I say that is A)People online are hiding behind their monitors and will give away their stategies live.B) Most online players don' have the access to Real games... (Casino, B&M's) home games don't count.C) Online players will not have the patience for live games... they are used to a 100 hands an hours where as live games maybe 20 hands an hour.... Just sayin, that because everyone can't beat online games does not mean that they suck at poker....Online is a different animal...Anyway to the OP... .GL with live... you will be a better poker player.. most live players are better than online players.I dunno if smash posts in general, but I'll beat him to it...you're wrong.do you see why?good luck.Well... all I can say is.... Smash isn't God's gift to poker... I still feel I am right....Good luck.... Link to post Share on other sites
TS Clark 0 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Anyway to the OP... .GL with live... you will be a better poker player.. most live players are better than online players.While I agree with you that live play and online play are two different animals, you are 100% nuts to say that live players are better than online players. Totally and completely insane. Live play is so much worse than even the worst online Party nutiness that it isn't even a contest. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs510 122 Posted February 20, 2006 Author Share Posted February 20, 2006 I just want to clarify a point.I don't think I'm a pro-caliber player, so I don't expect a return on the money I put into poker. I consider it to be an entertainment expense, but online poker isn't entertaining to me anymore, so I choose not to play. Playing live is fun, you get to see exactly who you're up against, you know with almost zero uncertainty that the game you're playing is fair for everyone (as opposed to an online ring game where you could be up against 8 other people who are chatting about their hands on IM the whole time, if you don't think that happens from time to time you're kidding yourselves). I actually do play a much better game live (ring games and tournaments), because I have decent reading ability and my attention/concentration is much less likely to be wasted on the TV in the background, my dog wanting to go out, random web-surfing, etc, etc, etc...There are definite holes in my game, there are definitely players on this forum who are better at poker than I am, and I'm fine with that. Online poker is not the game for me, I'm just annoyed that it took me this long (and that much $$$) to come to the realization. Thanks for the support to those who gave it, thanks for the read to those who didn't. Link to post Share on other sites
Ramocita 0 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 most live players are better than online players.That's a laugh. I doubt you've ever played in a casino.Ummm......Did you even look to see where I was from??????????????Let's just say the dealers and the poker room supervisors know me by name..... :roll:I just want to re-clarify.... In KC we have Four major casinos.... I play 4/8 limt Hold'em and 4/8 limit HO. This is at Isle of Capri, the only casino that will offer a HO game. I am the ONLY female poker player that will sit in a HO game, further more, and come out with a winning session. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Ramonicottimaybe you haven't played online a lot?not sure, but no one agrees with you. Link to post Share on other sites
PhilHellmuth 0 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 I'm not trying to offend you or get into a flame war, but honestly if you can't beat the game online, what makes you think you'll have better luck playing live? Are your reading abilities really that good, or is it time for a new hobby?.............most live players are better than online players.this is complete utter bullsht. perhaps u've failed to notice that the online pros have completely infiltrated the poker world. darrel dicken, nick schulman, ozzy, josh schlein, and daniel larsson, are only a few of the online pros that have made WPT final tables recently. they're also all over the live games.what do we think the OP's biggest problem probably is?what is the #1 problem of most losing players? any guesses?they play too many fcking hands, and they dont fold them soon enough after the flop. you really think that if he cant wait 10 minutes for a good hand online, he'll be able to fold hands for 2 hours in a live game if need be? probably not.OP: it comes down to this - if u havent read SSHE, then its ur own fault and u've been scuba diving without an oxygen tank.if u've read SSHE a couple of times seriously, and have continued to lose for a few months, quit poker - live and online. Link to post Share on other sites
Ramocita 0 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Ramonicottimaybe you haven't played online a lot?not sure, but no one agrees with you.They may not agree with me and that is ok...I have and do play online.... and at first I SUCKED....I knew it... then I quite for several months... read and re-read SSHE Deposited $30 in FCP and turned that into $850... cashed out $800 and starting all over again... ( I know that isn't alot to most folks here)... You can check my FCP points if you want to verify....I will admit, it is hard to adjust to online play vs. live play... I did not do well in online for along time... But I still say and will agree to disagree... Live play is where it all began and where it will all end...Thanks for all the flames... it's cold here in KC. Link to post Share on other sites
MyPlayIsRAB 0 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 i think im going to take some tiem off too. i was on a down streak, then finished 8th in a big tourney for 400$. so i made 500$ on weds/thurs.. then i managed to only cashout 300$ at the end of the weekend, playing nothing higher than 1/2. i just ordered small stakes holdem from amazon.ca, so ill be rethinking everything. im glad i got out with a profit, but i would have liked ot have more... Link to post Share on other sites
Ramocita 0 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 I'm not trying to offend you or get into a flame war, but honestly if you can't beat the game online, what makes you think you'll have better luck playing live? Are your reading abilities really that good, or is it time for a new hobby?.............most live players are better than online players.this is complete utter bullsht. perhaps u've failed to notice that the online pros have completely infiltrated the poker world. darrel dicken, nick schulman, ozzy, josh schlein, and daniel larsson, are only a few of the online pros that have made WPT final tables recently. they're also all over the live games.what do we think the OP's biggest problem probably is?what is the #1 problem of most losing players? any guesses?they play too many fcking hands, and they dont fold them soon enough after the flop. you really think that if he cant wait 10 minutes for a good hand online, he'll be able to fold hands for 2 hours in a live game if need be? probably not.OP: it comes down to this - if u havent read SSHE, then its ur own fault and u've been scuba diving without an oxygen tank.if u've read SSHE a couple of times seriously, and have continued to lose for a few months, quit poker - live and online.Its true the online players have dominated the poker world... but I will say this.... 2004 was the year for on-line players... they played a different game of Hold'em then the way the game has been played in the past.... NOW... let's look at 2005, the Poker Pros (NOT ONLINE) have came back, adjusted and DOMINATED the WSOP and WPT with wins.... NOTHING and I mean NOTHING substitutes for superb LIVE play. Link to post Share on other sites
AceJackOffS 0 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 most live players are better than online players.That's a laugh. I doubt you've ever played in a casino.Ummm......Did you even look to see where I was from??????????????Let's just say the dealers and the poker room supervisors know me by name..... :roll:I just want to re-clarify.... In KC we have Four major casinos.... I play 4/8 limt Hold'em and 4/8 limit HO. This is at Isle of Capri, the only casino that will offer a HO game. I am the ONLY female poker player that will sit in a HO game, further more, and come out with a winning session.all of this midwest bragging and argueing is greatI'm sure the games are real tough in missery... I mean missouri Link to post Share on other sites
OrzyVibe 0 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 I agree 100%....live players are better than on-line. And I go to the KC Boats also....$2/$5 NLHE at Harrahs. I'm decent...maybe more than that but I'll hold off judgement for a bit longer. Going to go on-line for the first time at month's end. Link to post Share on other sites
Ramocita 0 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 most live players are better than online players.That's a laugh. I doubt you've ever played in a casino.Ummm......Did you even look to see where I was from??????????????Let's just say the dealers and the poker room supervisors know me by name..... :roll:I just want to re-clarify.... In KC we have Four major casinos.... I play 4/8 limt Hold'em and 4/8 limit HO. This is at Isle of Capri' date=' the only casino that will offer a HO game. I am the ONLY female poker player that will sit in a HO game, further more, and come out with a winning session.[/quote']all of this midwest bragging and argueing is greatI'm sure the games are real tough in missery... I mean missouri[/quoteNothing beats a KC gambler.... we live it ... we LOVE it... you try it! Link to post Share on other sites
PhilHellmuth 0 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 I'm not trying to offend you or get into a flame war, but honestly if you can't beat the game online, what makes you think you'll have better luck playing live? Â Are your reading abilities really that good, or is it time for a new hobby?.............most live players are better than online players.this is complete utter bullsht. perhaps u've failed to notice that the online pros have completely infiltrated the poker world. darrel dicken, nick schulman, ozzy, josh schlein, and daniel larsson, are only a few of the online pros that have made WPT final tables recently. they're also all over the live games.what do we think the OP's biggest problem probably is?what is the #1 problem of most losing players? any guesses?they play too many fcking hands, and they dont fold them soon enough after the flop. you really think that if he cant wait 10 minutes for a good hand online, he'll be able to fold hands for 2 hours in a live game if need be? probably not.OP: it comes down to this - if u havent read SSHE, then its ur own fault and u've been scuba diving without an oxygen tank.if u've read SSHE a couple of times seriously, and have continued to lose for a few months, quit poker - live and online.Its true the online players have dominated the poker world... but I will say this.... 2004 was the year for on-line players... they played a different game of Hold'em then the way the game has been played in the past.... NOW... let's look at 2005, the Poker Pros (NOT ONLINE) have came back, adjusted and DOMINATED the WSOP and WPT with wins.... NOTHING and I mean NOTHING substitutes for superb LIVE play.its cute that u wanna hold onto this opinion even tho its obviously incorrect. many of the people you think of as live pros, u probably dont even realize they started out as internet pros - mizrachi, lindgren, and many others. lets look at the other side of the coin - matusow, the ultimate live player took a stab online and lost a couple million because when u take out the live factors like intimidation and reading mannerisms, he's just not as good a poker player as the online sharks he was up against. Link to post Share on other sites
Ramocita 0 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 I agree 100%....live players are better than on-line. And I go to the KC Boats also....$2/$5 NLHE at Harrahs. I'm decent...maybe more than that but I'll hold off judgement for a bit longer. Going to go on-line for the first time at month's end.Glad to see someone esp. from KC agrees with me.....I have played at Harrah's .... only Limit...they don't have a kill.. which I don't like... I have not played NL there....I'm really not a big fan of their poker room... Ameristar....it's ok.... but there.. it's No FOLD'em Hold'em..Good luck at on-line... it will be a big adjustment... took me awhile and money to figure it out. Link to post Share on other sites
mclark340 0 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Limit hold'em is infinitely times easier to beat live than it is online.Be prepared to take more badbeats/hand LIVE because so many players call all the way down to showdown.I play party .50/1 which is arguably the loosest online limit hold'em, and geuss what? 3/6 and 4/8 live players are WORSE.I just stopped laughing...Limit Poker is about as even online as it is in person.There are three choices call, raise one unit or fold.If you wanted to talk about NL where online folks have an itchy all in finger...ok, but limit? Come on.I agree that there are significant differences. Heck there are differences in how people play NL on the East coast vs. West coast vs. Europe.In the end, cards are cards and your ability to make good decisions is what makes you a good or bad player. Not the medium used to play the game. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 I agree 100%....live players are better than on-line. And I go to the KC Boats also....$2/$5 NLHE at Harrahs. I'm decent...maybe more than that but I'll hold off judgement for a bit longer. Going to go on-line for the first time at month's end.way to invalidate your postthis was funny, hopefully, intentionally so Link to post Share on other sites
TS Clark 0 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 I agree 100%....live players are better than on-line. And I go to the KC Boats also....$2/$5 NLHE at Harrahs. I'm decent...maybe more than that but I'll hold off judgement for a bit longer. Going to go on-line for the first time at month's end.We're all honored that we're getting such a definitive response about the superiority of live players from a guy who is going to go online "for the first time" at the end of the month.And, to the other "live players are better" poster... Honestly, a retarded squirrel could beat a 4-8 game live. If you can beat a .25-.50 game consistently online, you can probably whale the living hell out of 4-8 (or even 6-12). I've played lots of both live (Vegas and AC) and online games and there is no way, NO WAY, that anyone can convince me that typical live players are any good (at least not until you get to the mid-levels of 20-40 and above). I'm amazed at the badness every single time. Link to post Share on other sites
ShakeZuma 585 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Play money players are the best Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 mclark340he's saying the players are worse live.why are you unable to understand what he said?the styles are different and so is the skill level, according to aomost all that have expericne in both Link to post Share on other sites
sixhands 0 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Good luck Ajs510,I too, have thought about quitting online poker but I will be the first to admit the following ...I AM ADDICTED to playing any form of poker. I play on my cell phone (play money) I play live and I play online (real money).Bad beats are inevitable, it's the frequency of them that bothers me.I know this post is going to get flamed (especially as it is my first post) but so be it. If I get flamed I get flamed.There are a couple of things I would like to ask if I may.1) Please explain where I can find SSHE, I really would like to read this.2) What advice does anyone have on dealing with variance.3) If you have ever played against me and have some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, I would appreciate the feedback.Thanks Link to post Share on other sites
Ramocita 0 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 I'm not trying to offend you or get into a flame war, but honestly if you can't beat the game online, what makes you think you'll have better luck playing live? Are your reading abilities really that good, or is it time for a new hobby?.............most live players are better than online players.this is complete utter bullsht. perhaps u've failed to notice that the online pros have completely infiltrated the poker world. darrel dicken, nick schulman, ozzy, josh schlein, and daniel larsson, are only a few of the online pros that have made WPT final tables recently. they're also all over the live games.what do we think the OP's biggest problem probably is?what is the #1 problem of most losing players? any guesses?they play too many fcking hands, and they dont fold them soon enough after the flop. you really think that if he cant wait 10 minutes for a good hand online, he'll be able to fold hands for 2 hours in a live game if need be? probably not.OP: it comes down to this - if u havent read SSHE, then its ur own fault and u've been scuba diving without an oxygen tank.if u've read SSHE a couple of times seriously, and have continued to lose for a few months, quit poker - live and online.Its true the online players have dominated the poker world... but I will say this.... 2004 was the year for on-line players... they played a different game of Hold'em then the way the game has been played in the past.... NOW... let's look at 2005, the Poker Pros (NOT ONLINE) have came back, adjusted and DOMINATED the WSOP and WPT with wins.... NOTHING and I mean NOTHING substitutes for superb LIVE play.its cute that u wanna hold onto this opinion even tho its obviously incorrect. many of the people you think of as live pros, u probably dont even realize they started out as internet pros - mizrachi, lindgren, and many others. lets look at the other side of the coin - matusow, the ultimate live player took a stab online and lost a couple million because when u take out the live factors like intimidation and reading mannerisms, he's just not as good a poker player as the online sharks he was up against.I will hold on to my opinion and I will agree to disagree... I not talking about Mizrachi ... I'm talking about Greenstein, Ivey, Cloutier, Brunson(both father and son) Harman, Chang, Chan, Negreanu, Juanda, cunningham etc etc etc... I could go on... the game of Hold'em as played pre-online days was a much different games... you can see the difference by watching old WSOP events.. prior to 2003..... The live pros had to make an adjustment in their game and they came back and won it... On-line pros are great... but 99% of the wanna be's who play online think they can conquer the poker world.... Just like 98% of the posters here. Link to post Share on other sites
lvpro 0 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 I'm not trying to offend you or get into a flame war, but honestly if you can't beat the game online, what makes you think you'll have better luck playing live? Are your reading abilities really that good, or is it time for a new hobby?.............most live players are better than online players.this is complete utter bullsht. perhaps u've failed to notice that the online pros have completely infiltrated the poker world. darrel dicken, nick schulman, ozzy, josh schlein, and daniel larsson, are only a few of the online pros that have made WPT final tables recently. they're also all over the live games.what do we think the OP's biggest problem probably is?what is the #1 problem of most losing players? any guesses?they play too many fcking hands, and they dont fold them soon enough after the flop. you really think that if he cant wait 10 minutes for a good hand online, he'll be able to fold hands for 2 hours in a live game if need be? probably not.OP: it comes down to this - if u havent read SSHE, then its ur own fault and u've been scuba diving without an oxygen tank.if u've read SSHE a couple of times seriously, and have continued to lose for a few months, quit poker - live and online.Its true the online players have dominated the poker world... but I will say this.... 2004 was the year for on-line players... they played a different game of Hold'em then the way the game has been played in the past.... NOW... let's look at 2005, the Poker Pros (NOT ONLINE) have came back, adjusted and DOMINATED the WSOP and WPT with wins.... NOTHING and I mean NOTHING substitutes for superb LIVE play.its cute that u wanna hold onto this opinion even tho its obviously incorrect. many of the people you think of as live pros, u probably dont even realize they started out as internet pros - mizrachi, lindgren, and many others. lets look at the other side of the coin - matusow, the ultimate live player took a stab online and lost a couple million because when u take out the live factors like intimidation and reading mannerisms, he's just not as good a poker player as the online sharks he was up against.Lindgren was a live pro before he started playing on the internet. Link to post Share on other sites
PhilHellmuth 0 Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Limit hold'em is infinitely times easier to beat live than it is online.Be prepared to take more badbeats/hand LIVE because so many players call all the way down to showdown.I play party .50/1 which is arguably the loosest online limit hold'em, and geuss what? 3/6 and 4/8 live players are WORSE.I just stopped laughing...Limit Poker is about as even online as it is in person.There are three choices call, raise one unit or fold.If you wanted to talk about NL where online folks have an itchy all in finger...ok, but limit? Come on.I agree that there are significant differences. Heck there are differences in how people play NL on the East coast vs. West coast vs. Europe.In the end, cards are cards and your ability to make good decisions is what makes you a good or bad player. Not the medium used to play the game.i just stopped laughing......at you.go to a casino, play at a 2-4 game, see how many people are seeing flops turns and rivers compared to a full 2-4 table online.you obviously have never played 2-4 in a casino, or its been a long time since you have. the live 2-4, 3-6, and 4-8 games are much much looser. its not even close Link to post Share on other sites
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