Hobbes 1 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Santana is the best. Here are some other names I'd throw out for recognition...Roy OswaltChris CarpenterRoy HalladayPedro MartinezJake PeavyTim HudsonCarlos Zambrano Link to post Share on other sites
milestodavid 0 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 This is a tough one, but we have to look at consistency when it somes to a topic like this. So if he is coming back next year, Roger Clemens. If he is not back next year then it would be Santana. Best inconsistent pitcher would have to be Josh Beckett. Have you seen that curve bend? It's a 12 to -6 curve ball, purely disgusting. Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 I don't think Mark Buerhle is better than Santana at all, but he deserves a mention in this thread. Dude is rock solid.We'll mention him when we create a "7th best pitcher in baseball thread." Seriously though, he's pretty good.Meh. Best pitcher on the best staff in baseball. (National League teams don't count because they get a free out every 9th batter.) Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafs 142 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Now: Johan Santana. It really bugged the shit out of me when the Twins were using him as a spot starter 2 years ago when one of their regulars were hurt. It was obvious he was the best pitcher on that staff and now everyone knows he's the best in baseball.In 5 years: possibly Mark Prior if he can ever get his arm healthy, Felix Hernandez is a lock to win Cy Youngs for the next 15 years, Francisco Liriano in Minnesota is gonna team up with Santana and make that staff truly scary, Jered Weaver on the Angels has Prior like stuff, Verlander on the Tigers could be one to watch. Link to post Share on other sites
Hobbes 1 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Now: Johan Santana. It really bugged the censored out of me when the Twins were using him as a spot starter 2 years ago when one of their regulars were hurt. It was obvious he was the best pitcher on that staff and now everyone knows he's the best in baseball.In 5 years: possibly Mark Prior if he can ever get his arm healthy, Felix Hernandez is a lock to win Cy Youngs for the next 15 years, Francisco Liriano in Minnesota is gonna team up with Santana and make that staff truly scary, Jered Weaver on the Angels has Prior like stuff, Verlander on the Tigers could be one to watch.King Felix if the Mariners can find a way to keep him healthy and their track record suggests otherwise. Mark Prior has had more fluke injuries than regular pitcher injuries, so that may actually be a long-term benefit because it has kept Dusty's arm-killing strategy away from him. Agree with Liriano too, he could be a great one. Link to post Share on other sites
Longshanks 0 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Mark Prior is turning into the bust Kerry Wood was, crazy talent but right now underachievingand I dont think we can compar relievers and starters, Mariano Rivera and Santana have completely different roles Link to post Share on other sites
Hobbes 1 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 I don't think Mark Buerhle is better than Santana at all, but he deserves a mention in this thread. Dude is rock solid.We'll mention him when we create a "7th best pitcher in baseball thread." Seriously though, he's pretty good.Meh. Best pitcher on the best staff in baseball. (National League teams don't count because they get a free out every 9th batter.)Then you can't count all the White Sox games against the Royals 'cause that's a free out every other batter. POW! ZING! WHAMMY! Just kidding Koop... Link to post Share on other sites
milestodavid 0 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 :cry: The day that pitching staff was torn apart is a day that will live in infamy. Link to post Share on other sites
MDXS 0 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Yeah...not much to argue here unless we work down the depth chart. Santana's the best....no question. Clemens has had the best career. No question. Pedro Martinez had the best peak. Randy Johnson gets honorable mention. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafs 142 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 You may have lost 2 of those guys, but you've got a stud that'll be better than any of those 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Hobbes 1 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 :cry: The day that pitching staff was torn apart is a day that will live in infamy.Those were good trades. In fact, I wouldn't mind trading Zito either... Link to post Share on other sites
Longshanks 0 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Harden needs to stay healthy, he will be a stud but that injury last season killed us, im sure the trades will end up being ok but still, you never want to see a stud like hudson leave, or a lefty like mulder go Link to post Share on other sites
mbreon 0 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Absolutely it's Johan Santana (who is 26 by the way, KK).... Link to post Share on other sites
KowboyKoop 0 Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 Now: Johan Santana. It really bugged the censored out of me when the Twins were using him as a spot starter 2 years ago when one of their regulars were hurt. It was obvious he was the best pitcher on that staff and now everyone knows he's the best in baseball.In 5 years: possibly Mark Prior if he can ever get his arm healthy, Felix Hernandez is a lock to win Cy Youngs for the next 15 years, Francisco Liriano in Minnesota is gonna team up with Santana and make that staff truly scary, Jered Weaver on the Angels has Prior like stuff, Verlander on the Tigers could be one to watch.Noone is a "lock." He has tons of potential...but let's not get carried away. Link to post Share on other sites
KowboyKoop 0 Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 I don't think Mark Buerhle is better than Santana at all, but he deserves a mention in this thread. Dude is rock solid.We'll mention him when we create a "7th best pitcher in baseball thread." Seriously though, he's pretty good.Meh. Best pitcher on the best staff in baseball. (National League teams don't count because they get a free out every 9th batter.)Then you can't count all the White Sox games against the Royals 'cause that's a free out every other batter. POW! ZING! WHAMMY! Just kidding Koop...I'll give you props on that one. Nice job. High-five. Seriously though...saying NL pitchers don't count is just stupid..yes, adjustment is necessary when comparing the two leagues, but it ain't like pitchers are always automatic outs. Link to post Share on other sites
lvpro 0 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Roy HalladayI was going to say this.Somehow last year, my fantasy baseball pitching staff ended up dominating the league when I ended up with Johan Santana, Roy Halladay, and Dontrelle Willis. Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Seriously though...saying NL pitchers don't count is just stupid..yes, adjustment is necessary when comparing the two leagues, but it ain't like pitchers are always automatic outs.Didn't think I needed to add the sw to that one. Link to post Share on other sites
nopunk 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I don't think Mark Buerhle is better than Santana at all, but he deserves a mention in this thread. Dude is rock solid.We'll mention him when we create a "7th best pitcher in baseball thread." Seriously though, he's pretty good.Meh. Best pitcher on the best staff in baseball. (National League teams don't count because they get a free out every 9th batter.)Then you can't count all the White Sox games against the Royals 'cause that's a free out every other batter. POW! ZING! WHAMMY! Just kidding Koop...I'll give you props on that one. Nice job. High-five. Seriously though...saying NL pitchers don't count is just stupid..yes, adjustment is necessary when comparing the two leagues, but it ain't like pitchers are always automatic outs.See: Mark Mulder.310 BA.326 OBPDon't look at his pitching stats, though. Don't do it.Don't. Link to post Share on other sites
allinbluff35 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Now: Johan Santana. It really bugged the censored out of me when the Twins were using him as a spot starter 2 years ago when one of their regulars were hurt. It was obvious he was the best pitcher on that staff and now everyone knows he's the best in baseball.In 5 years: possibly Mark Prior if he can ever get his arm healthy, Felix Hernandez is a lock to win Cy Youngs for the next 15 years, Francisco Liriano in Minnesota is gonna team up with Santana and make that staff truly scary, Jered Weaver on the Angels has Prior like stuff, Verlander on the Tigers could be one to watch.I doubt Liriano is in the starting rotation on Opening Day. Link to post Share on other sites
Shimmering Wang 1 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I'm kinda surprised Dontelle Willis hasn't gotten much love here.And I think if we based on performance over the last 2 years, it's Clemens/Santana, then everyone else.Clemens is probably done, but as of last year he was still in the top tier of pitchers in baseball. His numbers last year made me puke.I got a question for you guys...Considering all the pitchers that had dominant seasons during the last 10 years, if you had to pick ONE pitcher to win ONE game, and you KNEW he was going to come out with the A+++ stuff, who would it be?Basically, which pitcher had the best peak, consistency aside?I think for me, the list would look something like:1) Pedro2) Randy JohnsonWang Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafs 142 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Now: Johan Santana. It really bugged the censored out of me when the Twins were using him as a spot starter 2 years ago when one of their regulars were hurt. It was obvious he was the best pitcher on that staff and now everyone knows he's the best in baseball.In 5 years: possibly Mark Prior if he can ever get his arm healthy, Felix Hernandez is a lock to win Cy Youngs for the next 15 years, Francisco Liriano in Minnesota is gonna team up with Santana and make that staff truly scary, Jered Weaver on the Angels has Prior like stuff, Verlander on the Tigers could be one to watch.I doubt Liriano is in the starting rotation on Opening Day.I doubt he will be too, but in 5 years, there's a great chance he'll be the #2 behind Santana.Forgot to give a 5 year shoutout to Scott Kazmir. If he can keep the wear and tear of his tiny frame to a minimum, he can be great in a few years. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafs 142 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I'm kinda surprised Dontelle Willis hasn't gotten much love here.And I think if we based on performance over the last 2 years, it's Clemens/Santana, then everyone else.Clemens is probably done, but as of last year he was still in the top tier of pitchers in baseball. His numbers last year made me puke.I got a question for you guys...Considering all the pitchers that had dominant seasons during the last 10 years, if you had to pick ONE pitcher to win ONE game, and you KNEW he was going to come out with the A+++ stuff, who would it be?Basically, which pitcher had the best peak, consistency aside?I think for me, the list would look something like:1) Pedro2) Randy JohnsonWangI'd go with Pedro too, with a very close second to Roger Clemens. When Clemens had his split finger dialed in, he was nearly unhittable. Link to post Share on other sites
Hobbes 1 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I'm kinda surprised Dontelle Willis hasn't gotten much love here.And I think if we based on performance over the last 2 years, it's Clemens/Santana, then everyone else.Clemens is probably done, but as of last year he was still in the top tier of pitchers in baseball. His numbers last year made me puke.I got a question for you guys...Considering all the pitchers that had dominant seasons during the last 10 years, if you had to pick ONE pitcher to win ONE game, and you KNEW he was going to come out with the A+++ stuff, who would it be?Basically, which pitcher had the best peak, consistency aside?I think for me, the list would look something like:1) Pedro2) Randy JohnsonWangUnit's peak was Koufax-ian good. Pedro's was even better. Nobody can touch Pedro at his peak. Dontrelle had a very good year last year, but before that he was up and down. I think his future is bright and he'll be near the top (probably not in wins and losses with that offense though). Link to post Share on other sites
MDXS 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 If I need to win one game, 2000 Pedro's my man. 18-6, 1.74 ERA, 284 K, 32 BB...and the most disgustingly good stats: .737 WHIP; 285 ERA+It was the biggest treat to watch him every fifth day back then. Link to post Share on other sites
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