$50 to $1000 on pstars day 19

[Smasharoo 0]

The GoalTo turn $50 in my first Pokerstars deposit into $1000.The RulesI'll play only Limit games, primarily Holdem, though I might mix in some O8 or Stud etc. later on.I won't move up in limits without at least 300BB for the new limit. I will post hands that I win and lose and explain my thinking behind how I played them.I'm too lazy to spellcheck. Deal with it.Losing session? What's that mean?Got a fair amount of hands in today in a day/night split session and made a buck here or there playing some $5 PLO8 (the softest game in the history of the world, so frustrating when you don't hit any flops and people are potting $3 with trips and no low or potting $3 with just the nut low). I was thinking to myself as I finished up the night one about ten minutes ago that I thought an important part of this project would be to show losing sessions and how to remain calm during them and how a good player wins long term just like the house does at Roulette.Only problem is I can't seem to have a losing session. I was thinking about why that is (aside from the fact that I'm possibly the best .25/.50 player in the world ) and I came to a few conclusions. I figure I've been in a bit of an up variance swing as I was pretty sure I'd crush these games for something around 4 or 5 BB per 100, but I'm actually obliterating them for double digit BB/100. Now, I don't think that's sustainable, and a lot of it is from the many hands I played at .05/.10 with no rake, etc. I did go through my PT database and find a couple of periods over 2000 hands where I'm beating 3/6 for 10BB+/100 (along with some where I'm losing 4bb/100 over 2000 hands). I just wanted to get that in here in preperation for my inevitable upcoming losing session which if I"m lucky will happen at $1/$2 so people can come out of the woodwork saying I can't hack $1/$2.When I was talking to my lovely wife (fiance actually, but who's counting) Candace aka "the candle" about it she pointed out the following: She said to me "You don't have losing sessions becuase when you're ahead after an hour you get bored and log off and do a write up but when you're down after an hour you get that super focused look and play untill your ahead. I think the house could be burning down during those times and you wouldn't notice." She has a point, but I want to clarify why that happens with me. It's not tilt and it's not me playing to get even. Let me say that again, because the most common form of tilt I see from my freinds that play is good players who get stuck for 20BB and then play (ussually too agressively) untill they get back to even or fall asleep. It's not tilt, and I'm not playing to get even. That's not me. Don't let it be you. I used to tilt like that, you know, and other ways too. Everyone has. Don't let them tell you diffrent, everyone who's played a lot of Holdem has at some point made stupid plays because they firmly believe it's their turn to suck out on someone else with A6o or that they're going to get that loose agressive bastard who caps every street and then sucks on the river time and time again with junk. I've been there. Oh yes, I've been there. When I first started playing Holdem online I dropped $250 playing $25 buy in NL in a night. I was that guy who rebought after having aces cracked and pushed all in with any two cards to make up for the gods cursing him on the last hand. When I first started playing limit in casinos years ago, I was the guy racking off by raising any two cards with my last ten chips just so I could rebuy a full rack. I used to frighten my wife by shouting "Every f**king time!! Why must it be every f**king time?? When I'd lose two big pots in a row online."I used to be that guy. I used to think I had to play higher because low limits were just a crapshoot. I used to limp with AK preflop because what's the point of raising when someone's going to hit two pair on the flop even if you flop an A or a K. I used to call two cold with KJ or any other hand I'd limp with, because, hey a raise could mean anything, right? It could be JJ and I'm calling with KQ. That's a good call for me. As good as calling with AK over 22...right? Right?Well, I got past all of that, and I got past tilting because of bad beats, and I got past tilting because of the prospect of booking a down day and all the rest. I'm almost untiltable now because of a combination of having played a million hands of Holdem (probably litterally if I count all the hands I played before I bought PT) and the fact that I learned bankroll management and finnaly, and this isn't a trivial thing, figured out that I am winning player. That was an open question for me for quite a while. Was I actually beating the game or was I having a lucky day? I put the lucky day theory to rest when I started going over hand histories religously after every session and correcting horrible leaks in my game. I stopped just looking at the hands where I was a big favorite and lost or the hands where I missed a riase on the river and started looking at all of them. That's not as easy as you think when you dearly want to be a winning player and you look at yourself calling UTG with K7o and winning a hand that gets you even for the session and saying "Why did I do that?"Anyway, back to why I don't have many losing sessions. I have a mantra when I play poker online and it goes something like this: "Playing more hands fixes everything." Now, that my involve playing more hands in the same session at a better table, or booking a losing day and playing 5000 hands tommorow or whatever, but it's how I think at this point. It's what happens to me when I'm playing these micro games and I'm down 20BB after 100 hands or so, which happens fairly regularly when I'm 4-tabling. I think to myself "Well, hell, if I'm going to book a losing session at a game I'm crushing I might as well make it a real 500 hand session." Because I know the chances I'll be down after 1 hand are probably 9/10, the chance I'll be down after 100 hands is 2/5, the chance that I'll be down after 500 hands is 1/20 and the chance that I'll be down after 5000 hands is probably 1/10000. Playing more hands fixes everything. That said, I've committed to not playing any indicidual sessions of micro games that are over 500 hands, so I figure I"m due to book a down day eventually. I'd hate to go through this thing and go from $50 to $1k without ever having a down day. It's not the message I'm trying to get across to the new players.All that being said....19 for 19 baby!!:)Some meaningless but amusing stats:Pstars offers stats on your last 2k hands, which isn't teribly usefull, (I've played more in a day 4-tabling 3/6 ) but anyway here are my Pstars stats, since I'm not using Ptracker for this thing:Hold'em (Real Money):1829 hands played and saw flop: - 67 times out of 208 while in small blind (32%) - 141 times out of 208 while in big blind (67%) - 251 times out of 1413 in other positions (17%) - a total of 459 times out of 1829 (25%) Pots won at showdown - 72 out of 120 (60%) Pots won without showdown - 71Bam, right at 60% win showdown, 25% saw the flop! 50/50 on pots won without showing down should show all the conspiracy theorists how tight many micro games really are postflop. Either that or people fear me.I've played more than 2000 hands of holdem there for sure, not I'm not sure where the 1829 cutoff comes from. Well, I think I have anyway.. if I haven't then I'm at like $8 per 100 hands including most of them at .05/.10 and while I am crushing the games I'm pretty sure I'm not crushing them for 50BB/100....I wish they included a BB/100 and a rake paid on them, but they don't. Some hands from today:Dealt to thecandle [As Qd]fingers35: folds kefalo_muni: folds rustyzx: folds thecandle: raises $0.25 to $0.50HP2TOUR: folds pdawg11: folds geezergen2: folds jadog1230: raises $0.25 to $0.75Carnac Az: folds jazzypapax4: folds thecandle: calls $0.25I raise with AQo and am three-bet by the CO, I call and it's heads up to the flop. *** FLOP *** [Ad Jc 9d]thecandle: checks jadog1230: bets $0.25thecandle: calls $0.25Raising's better.*** TURN *** [Ad Jc 9d] [Ts]thecandle: checks jadog1230: bets $0.50thecandle: calls $0.50Raising's better.*** RIVER *** [Ad Jc 9d Ts] [8c]thecandle: checks jadog1230: bets $0.50thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1jadog1230: raises $0.50 to $1.50thecandle: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***jadog1230: shows [Qc Qs] (a straight, Eight to Queen)thecandle: shows [As Qd] (a straight, Eight to Queen)thecandle collected $3.20 from potjadog1230 collected $3.15 from potmeh. I happen to remember this hand because I was on the phone and just decided to show it down after the flop, mostly half paying attention. Raising the flop is better, raising the turn too. I didn't, I should have. I'm bad at holdem :)Obligatory AA hand:Dealt to thecandle [As Ac]cobra8: calls $0.25basketpilot: folds armlesscae: calls $0.25shirokumasan: calls $0.25Murdog77: calls $0.25thecandle: raises $0.25 to $0.50WKsilly: folds Giant1: folds mr.pitboss: calls $0.40mybuddyherky: folds cobra8: calls $0.25armlesscae: calls $0.25shirokumasan: calls $0.25Murdog77: calls $0.25You can all understand by now how dumb it is not to raise AA in a big multiway pot, right? Right?*** FLOP *** [4c 5d 8h]mr.pitboss: checks cobra8: checks armlesscae: checks shirokumasan: checks Murdog77: checks thecandle: bets $0.25mr.pitboss: calls $0.25cobra8: calls $0.25armlesscae: folds shirokumasan: folds Murdog77: calls $0.2537 people to the flop, I bet out and 19 of them call. Finnaly, my kind of table for once at Stars.*** TURN *** [4c 5d 8h] [Jc]mr.pitboss: checks cobra8: checks Murdog77: checks thecandle: bets $0.50mr.pitboss: calls $0.50cobra8: folds Murdog77: foldsWe drop the people with overcards, I guess. I'm hoping I'm not looking at 67s or some funky two pair. Not that I'm particularly worris or anything or am going to stop betting, but still, I've read so many AA cracked threads here that I assume I *must* be beat. Right? *** RIVER *** [4c 5d 8h Jc] [5s]mr.pitboss: checks thecandle: bets $0.50mr.pitboss: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [As Ac] (two pair, Aces and Fives)mr.pitboss: mucks hand thecandle collected $6 from potHE had 84o and the river saved me! I'm so lucky...Just kidding, he had 22. Really. Must have had a "read" that I had AK I guess. Actually, allthough he's not gatting anything near the odds to call for a set he's probably right to call down in a pot this big against a player (me) who raises a lot of unpaired hands up front. *** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Jc Ac]BlueWind: calls $0.25oslokid: folds BlueEyedBell: folds yellowjack: folds Caesarii: folds davec51: raises $0.25 to $0.50rknapton: raises $0.25 to $0.75Hefnz: folds thecandle: calls $0.65mtavares: folds BlueWind: calls $0.50davec51: raises $0.25 to $1Betting is cappedrknapton: calls $0.25thecandle: calls $0.25BlueWind: calls $0.25Yeah, call two and half cold from the SB with AJs. Really. Call the cap too.*** FLOP *** [7c 5c Kc]thecandle: checks BlueWind: checks davec51: checks rknapton: bets $0.25thecandle: calls $0.25BlueWind: folds davec51: calls $0.25I decided to take a shot at slowplaying here, because it was capped and I figured someone was good for AA or KK and that they'd bet every street if not shown agression. *** TURN *** [7c 5c Kc] [8c]thecandle: checks davec51: checks rknapton: checksSurely someone has a high club. Damn it, I knew there was a reason I never normally **** around like this. *** RIVER *** [7c 5c Kc 8c] [9d]thecandle: bets $0.50davec51: folds rknapton: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [Jc Ac] (a flush, Ace high)rknapton: mucks hand thecandle collected $5.75 from potSeat 8: rknapton mucked [Qs Qh]Shame it wasn't a Qc on the flop or something....Anyway, don't slowplay. I planned to raise the turn when it wasn't a club. How'd that work out for me again? Oh yeah, I missed a raise on the flop and a bet on the turn. Stupid of me. *** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Kd Qs]thecandle: raises $0.25 to $0.50WKsilly: folds Giant1: folds mr.pitboss: folds mybuddyherky: folds cobra8: calls $0.50armlesscae: calls $0.40Murdog77: calls $0.25I raise KQ UTG and have three callers.*** FLOP *** [Ks 6h 3c]armlesscae: checks Murdog77: checks thecandle: bets $0.25cobra8: folds armlesscae: calls $0.25Murdog77: foldsGood flop for me. *** TURN *** [Ks 6h 3c] [Qh]armlesscae: checks thecandle: bets $0.50armlesscae: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Ks 6h 3c Qh] [Kh]armlesscae: checks thecandle: bets $0.50armlesscae: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [Kd Qs] (a full house, Kings full of Queens)armlesscae: mucks hand thecandle collected $4.50 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $4.50 | Rake $0 Board [Ks 6h 3c Qh Kh]Seat 1: armlesscae (small blind) mucked [Qc As]/shrug. I never get much action when I flop sets, it seems:*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [6s 6h]mybuddyherky: folds cobra8: checks basketpilot: folds armlesscae: folds gresan: calls $0.25Murdog77: folds thecandle: calls $0.25WKsilly: folds Giant1: calls $0.15mr.pitboss: checksIn the CO, I figure it'll be at least 4 to the flop. A little loose, but fine in a loosish game where people don't play well after the flop. *** FLOP *** [Ks 2h 6d]Giant1: checks mr.pitboss: checks cobra8: checks gresan: checks thecandle: bets $0.25Giant1: folds mr.pitboss: calls $0.25cobra8: folds gresan: folds People fear me, I tell ya.*** TURN *** [Ks 2h 6d] [5c]mr.pitboss: checks thecandle: bets $0.50mr.pitboss: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Ks 2h 6d 5c] [3c]mr.pitboss: checks thecandle: checks *** SHOW DOWN ***mr.pitboss: shows [Jd 2s] (a pair of Deuces)thecandle: shows [6s 6h] (three of a kind, Sixes)Well, not that guy. Same guy that called down my AA with 22. I wonder if thought I was the sucker at the table.....You know all those hands you lose to rivered gutshots? This why it's good for people to chase them when you have TPTK and they don't have odds:*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Kh Qc]longview: folds Bison88: folds halfbaked225: calls $0.25jafager: folds MACATTACK1: folds MonyTaker247: folds hustler7311: folds thecandle: raises $0.25 to $0.50mack405: folds halfbaked225: calls $0.25I raise KQ in the SB and it's heads up to the flop. It's heads up more than you'd think even on the micro tables...*** FLOP *** [Jh Qs 3c]thecandle: bets $0.25halfbaked225: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Jh Qs 3c] [2c]thecandle: bets $0.50halfbaked225: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Jh Qs 3c 2c] [9c]thecandle: bets $0.50halfbaked225: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [Kh Qc] (a pair of Queens)halfbaked225: mucks hand thecandle collected $3.75 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $3.75 | Rake $0 Board [Jh Qs 3c 2c 9c]Seat 1: Bison88 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: halfbaked225 mucked [Ah Ts]Bet, bet, bet. Thanks for calling the extra BB with A high. No, 9TJQA isn't a straight, apparently. I didn't know either... If it wasn't for pot splittin suck outs, I'd be at $1000 allready:*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Ah Kd]hustler7311: folds thecandle: raises $0.25 to $0.50mack405: folds longview: folds halfbaked225: folds jafager: folds MACATTACK1: calls $0.40MonyTaker247: calls $0.25I raise AK from UTG+1. You do too, right?*** FLOP *** [2s 8s Ad]MACATTACK1: checks MonyTaker247: checks thecandle: bets $0.25MACATTACK1: calls $0.25MonyTaker247: foldsGood flop for me. *** TURN *** [2s 8s Ad] [2c]MACATTACK1: bets $0.50thecandle: calls $0.50Still good for me.*** RIVER *** [2s 8s Ad 2c] [2d]MACATTACK1: bets $0.50thecandle: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***MACATTACK1: shows [Ac Tc] (a full house, Deuces full of Aces)thecandle: shows [Ah Kd] (a full house, Deuces full of Aces)MACATTACK1 collected $2 from potthecandle collected $2 from pot/sigh.Oh well, it's not like I don't suck my way into split pots occasionally too...I guess. Of course, I wouldn't be calling two cold with AT in the SB, but that's another story.I hate overcards, hate em. You should too...:*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Ah Kc]Carnac Az: folds jazzypapax4: folds fingers35: folds kefalo_muni: folds rustyzx: folds thecandle: raises $0.25 to $0.50pdawg11: folds loserthough joins the table at seat #6 jadog1230: calls $0.25I raise AK from the CO and the BB calls.*** FLOP *** [2h 4c 4h]pdawg11 leaves the tablejadog1230: checks thecandle: bets $0.25jadog1230: calls $0.25Good flop for AK.*** TURN *** [2h 4c 4h] [Qd]jadog1230: checks thecandle: checks Betting's better. Betting might fold 77 or something. *** RIVER *** [2h 4c 4h Qd] [5c]jadog1230: checks thecandle: checks /shrug. I was weak/tighting it up tonight. Was on the phone with my good freind who's mom died yesterday a lot so not playing my best game. *** SHOW DOWN ***jadog1230: shows [8d 9d] (a pair of Fours)thecandle: shows [Ah Kc] (a pair of Fours - Ace kicker)thecandle collected $1.60 from potmehSome losers:*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [9d Jd]gresan: folds Murdog77: folds thecandle: calls $0.25WKsilly: calls $0.25gresan leaves the tableGiant1: folds mr.pitboss: calls $0.25mybuddyherky: calls $0.25cobra8: calls $0.15armlesscae: checksJ9 is my favorite hand. J9s I'll actually play. *** FLOP *** [Jc Jh Qh]cobra8: checks armlesscae: checks thecandle: bets $0.25WKsilly: folds mr.pitboss: calls $0.25mybuddyherky: calls $0.25cobra8: folds armlesscae: calls $0.25Yay!*** TURN *** [Jc Jh Qh] [3c]armlesscae: checks thecandle: bets $0.50mr.pitboss: calls $0.50mybuddyherky: raises $0.50 to $1armlesscae: calls $1thecandle: calls $0.50mr.pitboss: calls $0.50 Sh*t.I swear every time I flop trips is some suited connector it ends upbeing dominated...*** RIVER *** [Jc Jh Qh 3c] [7c]armlesscae: checks thecandle: checks mr.pitboss: checks mybuddyherky: bets $0.50armlesscae: folds thecandle: calls $0.50mr.pitboss: folds *** SHOW DOWN ***mybuddyherky: shows [Ks Js] (three of a kind, Jacks)thecandle: mucks hand mybuddyherky collected $7.25 from potPot's too big to fold, etc.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Ac Js]Murdog77: checks thecandle: raises $0.25 to $0.50WKsilly: folds Giant1: folds mr.pitboss: calls $0.50mybuddyherky: folds eklein3757: calls $0.40gresan: calls $0.25Murdog77: folds I raise AJ from EP and get a a few callers.*** FLOP *** [6h 9c 4s]eklein3757: checks gresan: checks thecandle: bets $0.25mr.pitboss: folds eklein3757: folds gresan: calls $0.25Dropped a lot of people on the flop so I figure I'll just bet it out till the end if nothing obvious hits the board. (This was after I was off the phone thinking "Man I was playing like Lee Jones there...I need to pay attention")*** TURN *** [6h 9c 4s] [7h]armlesscae joins the table at seat #1 gresan: checks thecandle: bets $0.50gresan: calls $0.50Can't be 5-8 or some funky hand that paired here, can it? *** RIVER *** [6h 9c 4s 7h] [3h]gresan: checks thecandle: checks *** SHOW DOWN ***gresan: shows [9d 7d] (two pair, Nines and Sevens)thecandle: mucks hand gresan collected $3.75 from potYeah, a couple of things. Thanks for calling two cold with 97s and thanks for not betting out on the river with two pair. Not that I was calling, but still, thanks. I didn't bet the river beacuse a card hit that filled like 97 draws and I couldn't imagine what he'd be calling with that wasn't one of them. I guess another bet might have folded AK or something, but I don't think I get a fold enough here to take another shot at it.Underflush #1:*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Ts 8s]Link9: calls $0.25Reinders99: folds loujers: folds mistrken: calls $0.25bowla300: calls $0.25earlkeys: folds scalpel2008: folds dbshibby: folds thecandle: calls $0.15addray1928: checks I complete with 8Ts, a hand I might call with on the button if there were a few limper in before me. *** FLOP *** [Kh 3s 9s]thecandle: bets $0.25addray1928: calls $0.25Link9: folds mistrken: calls $0.25bowla300: raises $0.25 to $0.50thecandle: calls $0.25addray1928: folds mistrken: calls $0.25I bet out with the flush draw into a multiway pot. Someone raises. I hope that's two pair and not another flush draw...*** TURN *** [Kh 3s 9s] [As]thecandle: bets $0.50mistrken: folds bowla300: raises $0.50 to $1thecandle: calls $0.50Flush get's there, so I bet out.Ugh. Can't fold this, obviously, a set often behaves the same way.*** RIVER *** [Kh 3s 9s As] [3h]thecandle: checks bowla300: bets $0.50thecandle: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***bowla300: shows [Js Ks] (a flush, Ace high)thecandle: mucks hand bowla300 collected $5.75 from pot/shrug. Underflushes happen.In fact...:*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [6h 7h]MadVillain84: folds ladyluck91: calls $0.25kypipeman: calls $0.25punkie: folds thecandle: calls $0.25Prez01: folds mTrob: folds Marusha: folds huckpp: checks I limp with a medium suited connector in late MP. *** FLOP *** [5s 9h Kh]huckpp: checks ladyluck91: bets $0.25kypipeman: calls $0.25thecandle: calls $0.25huckpp: calls $0.25Misclick. I did mean to raise. Really.Obviously raise a flush draw with a gutshot,*** TURN *** [5s 9h Kh] [Th]huckpp: checks ladyluck91: bets $0.50kypipeman: calls $0.50thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1huckpp: calls $1ladyluck91: folds kypipeman: calls $0.50I get to raise the turn, yay, I'm going to win a big pot!*** RIVER *** [5s 9h Kh Th] [Jh]huckpp: bets $0.50kypipeman: raises $0.50 to $1thecandle: folds huckpp: calls $0.50/sigh. It's allways the big pots, you know *** SHOW DOWN ***kypipeman: shows [8h Js] (a flush, King high)huckpp: shows [Ah 9s] (a flush, Ace high)huckpp collected $7.35 from potLast one, obligatory AA hand #2:*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [As Ah]MasterJ69: raises $0.25 to $0.50thecandle: raises $0.25 to $0.75TruNdian: folds Beal219: folds SteveL91: folds wasarich: folds chris9327: folds Locoduffer: calls $0.50MasterJ69: calls $0.25Hey, AA for three bets three ways, can't beat that.*** FLOP *** [5h 3d Td]Locoduffer: checks MasterJ69: bets $0.25thecandle: raises $0.25 to $0.50Locoduffer: calls $0.50MasterJ69: calls $0.25Hey, thanks for betting into me on this flop.Unless you have a set, of course, in which case you suck.*** TURN *** [5h 3d Td] [Qd]Locoduffer: checks MasterJ69: checks thecandle: bets $0.50Locoduffer: folds MasterJ69: calls $0.50I figure it's got to be AK here*** RIVER *** [5h 3d Td Qd] [Jh]MasterJ69: checks thecandle: checksBleah, missed another value bet here. I played horribly today. *** SHOW DOWN ***MasterJ69: shows [Kd Tc] (a pair of Tens)thecandle: shows [As Ah] (a pair of Aces)thecandle collected $4.85 from potThanks for raising UTG with KT, and for the other bets. I'm sure you'd have called one more too.I played much better this morning, but didn't remember to grab the HH.Anyway, two sessions, probably 300 hands. Played like ass in the last one, but still won.$81 to go to .50/$1ResultsStarting Bankroll: $200.67Ending Bankroll: $219.01Playtime: 300 hands and some PLO8.Net: $~20BB/100: 10+

[Kendren 1]

You know, it really is funny. I heard your little mantras in my head playing tonight."I raise AQs, I hope you do too""I hate slowplaying flopped trips""complete with any 2 suited"I hope you were shooting for mentor status when you started this, cause you got it. Hell, I might even buy some of your books with my winnings! (If you get royalties, of course)

[Jtmaroon84 0]

I look forward to reading this little experiment every day and I have to say, to date, I have not been dissapointed. Keep up the good fight Smash!

[Ed 0]

I knew I had read these too much tonight during my microlimit session on Stars when, with 7-5 off UTG, I folded with a rhyme, "Look, it's 7-5! Them cards is no longer live."Between studying my own hand histories and seeing these every night, the education has been enormous.By the way Smash, I can't explain the 1900-something hand cutoff for the statistics you got, but you've definitely played more than that during this deal. I've played 2414 in the last week alone and I'm sure you play more hands per week than me.

[Vade 0]

I'm thinking the hand history could be based on the time since, oh maybe Monday for some reason.

[wrto4556 0]

Bet, bet, bet. Thanks for calling the extra BB with A high. No, 9TJQA isn't a straight, apparently. I didn't know either... You kill me. You still need to explain to me why you slowdown everytime somone raises. Maybe it's the 2+2 in me, but I three bet the hand when you had the underflush. You already said the first hand with AQ was bad...why you not so aggressive, smash?

[akishore 0]

i have to agree with wrto here.i might be wrong, but it seems like you're missing out on some value by slowing down too easily and not being aggressive when it's likely you have the best hand.personally, i've done the same thing also. i remember a hand where i had AA, UTG raised, i three-bet on the button, and he capped. flop came Kxx, UTG bet, i raised, and he three-bet. here, i slowed down because i immediately worried about KK flopping the set, so i called to the showdown. in retrospect, i believe this was a wrong play. anyway, UTG also had AA and we split a small pot since there was only one other player in the hand. he put me on AK, and i believe i should have done the same (though i wouldn't have known what to do if he three-bet me on the turn again had i raised on the turn).aside from that, this was a great post, your best one yet IMHO. the article-like story was really relatable, and it was a great insight into your life. it's nice to know that you are (were) human once too. :-) thanks,aseem

[Smasharoo 0]

You still need to explain to me why you slowdown everytime somone raises. Maybe it's the 2+2 in me, but I three bet the hand when you had the underflush. You already said the first hand with AQ was bad...why you not so aggressive, smash?Couple of reasons. I'm not playing the same way I'd play in the Party 3/6 game, or the party .50/1 game which is likely what you're comparing this to.1. Stars players are all either weak/tight clones or calling stations. When they raise, they have it 24 times out of 25. Three-betting that T high flush is chip spewing there. 2. Pots are smaller. Much of the time when it's correct to raise in a big pot to clean up outs, it's not in a small pot. Also much of the time when it's correct to raise heads up it's not when it's three-handed. Most of my hands in these games are in that middle ground where agression isn't rewarded. I'm agressive heads up and in large pots.I missed a lot of value bets and raises tonight, I was just playing badly. I think I'm playing agressively in the other sessions you've commented on that you thought were too passive, though. I think you're not taking the pot sizes and predictibility of the playerbase into account.

[Smasharoo 0]

i might be wrong, but it seems like you're missing out on some value by slowing down too easily and not being aggressive when it's likely you have the best hand. No, you're not wrong. That's probably why I said "I played horribly tonight" in the main post

[AceOfSpaiDs 0]

i'm trying to do something very similar to this smash gl

[Smasharoo 0]

Good luck.

[wrto4556 0]

I think I'm playing agressively in the other sessions you've commented on that you thought were too passive, though. I think you're not taking the pot sizes and predictibility of the playerbase into account.

Players I have no read on. But the pot sizes I do need to consider, when I read your posts, they are so long (it's a good thing), I kinda skim through and just look at the action. Also, none of the hand histories have the pot size, and i'm not gonna sit there and count all the bets made as I read...im just too lazy.I'll start watching for how many bets and players in next time to get a good estimate of pot size. Looking back, the 10-high flush was a small pot.I'm going to go back and look at the other posts, because I still feel like it's not aggressive enough for me. I am used to party poker, too. :wink:

[wrto4556 0]

*** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to thecandle [Qh Jc] kumarshah: folds devansgsc: folds troy_ct: calls $0.25 Jero: folds Murdogg20: folds ronbo: folds fingers35: folds thecandle: calls $0.15 wildcard0877: checks I complete with JQo in the SB. *** FLOP *** [Qd 6d Jh] thecandle: bets $0.25 Hey, two pair on the flop, haven't seen that all day. wildcard0877: calls $0.25 troy_ct: raises $0.25 to $0.50 Looks like a play with the flush draw to me, so I three-bet it. thecandle: raises $0.25 to $0.75 wildcard0877: folds troy_ct: raises $0.25 to $1 Betting is capped thecandle: calls $0.25 He caps. Hmm. Two pair against a set wold be about right for me today. *** TURN *** [Qd 6d Jh] [Ac] thecandle: checks troy_ct: bets $0.50 thecandle: calls $0.50 Not a fantastic card for me. A slowplayed AA crosses my mind. As does an overplayed AJd. Both of them are crushing me at the moment, leaving me with 2 outs. *** RIVER *** [Qd 6d Jh Ac] [Qs] thecandle: bets $0.50 troy_ct: calls $0.50 Two isn't the same as none, though

Why didn't you lead the turn? A slowplayed KK would play the same, KQ LAG would play it the same way. I lead the turn and call the raise, planning to check/call the river UI.EDIT: everytime I read these, I pick them apart in my mind but never ask. I'm gonna start giving you shit. Asking all sorts of questions. I've never been interested in "what", only "why".

[NormanHaupt 0]

Hold'em (Real Money):1829 hands played and saw flop:- 67 times out of 208 while in small blind (32%)- 141 times out of 208 while in big blind (67%)- 251 times out of 1413 in other positions (17%)- a total of 459 times out of 1829 (25%)Pots won at showdown - 72 out of 120 (60%)Pots won without showdown - 71

Muhuhahahaha I don't feel so bad about my % now Hold'em (Real Money):1988 hands played and saw flop: - 111 times out of 286 while in small blind (38%) - 244 times out of 280 while in big blind (87%) - 376 times out of 1422 in other positions (26%) - a total of 731 times out of 1988 (36%) Pots won at showdown - 117 out of 291 (40%) Pots won without showdown - 129I do A LOT of shorthand where I seem to thrash people pretty easily. These stats also reflect my first few hundred hands Phil Hellmuth style.I've tightened to 28% flops , slowed down a lot on my SB completes, and now I fold a lot easier. I think it was wrto who said, "Kick it or quit it." If I can't raise with confidence, I fold.As always, enjoy reading your posts.

[Smasharoo 0]

Why didn't you lead the turn?Because he caps the flop. A slowplayed KK would play the same, KQ LAG would play it the same way. I lead the turn and call the raise, planning to check/call the river UI. It needs to not be a set more than half the time for that play to have any merit.That's not the case in these games. What's +ev about leading the turn here?When you put someone on a range of hands they'd cap with and more than half of them are crushing you, leading out into another potential raise on the turn is pointless, particualrly with a card that makes a better two pair or a set for many of the hands in that range.It's chip spewing.

[wrto4556 0]

I see what you're saying. I'm being results oriented. I see the way he played AJ and I assume you have him labeled as LAG. But in other situations, C/c mode is correct?

[Smasharoo 0]

I see what you're saying. I'm being results oriented. I see the way he played AJ and I assume you have him labeled as LAG. But in other situations, C/c mode is correct?I'm 8 tabling, playing 4 on Party with PT autorate and 4 on Stars cold. I don't have him labled as anything, I don't know he's at the table untill I'm in a hand with him

[wrto4556 0]

fair enough... :shock:

[BetItAll33 0]

(This was after I was off the phone thinking "Man I was playing like Lee Jones there...I need to pay attention")

OK Smash, you have me worried here. I've read the Lee Jones book, but I don't have SSHE yet. Am I doomed?

[eniven 0]

You still need to explain to me why you slowdown everytime somone raises. Maybe it's the 2+2 in me, but I three bet the hand when you had the underflush. You already said the first hand with AQ was bad...why you not so aggressive, smash?Couple of reasons. I'm not playing the same way I'd play in the Party 3/6 game, or the party .50/1 game which is likely what you're comparing this to.1. Stars players are all either weak/tight clones or calling stations. When they raise, they have it 24 times out of 25. Three-betting that T high flush is chip spewing there. 2. Pots are smaller. Much of the time when it's correct to raise in a big pot to clean up outs, it's not in a small pot. Also much of the time when it's correct to raise heads up it's not when it's three-handed. Most of my hands in these games are in that middle ground where agression isn't rewarded. I'm agressive heads up and in large pots.I missed a lot of value bets and raises tonight, I was just playing badly. I think I'm playing agressively in the other sessions you've commented on that you thought were too passive, though. I think you're not taking the pot sizes and predictibility of the playerbase into account.

So, how would you say the 0.5/1 game on party differs from the games you're playing on pokerstars? Are they tougher? I thought party games were supposed to be some of the easiest out there...