statistical tests to see if pokerstars is rigged

[QMCertain 0]

Everyone complains that PokerStars is rigged, and creates too many action flops. Does anyone know of any high profile statistical tests that were run on hand histories to check if the cards have the correct distribution over the long run?I just need something to point to for all the people who complain that it's rigged.

[digitalmonkey 929]

Contact PokerStars, they may hire you as an anti-rigger. That is, if your job as grip for Ron Mexico doesn't work out.*edit* I like cheese.

[Fluffdog87 2]

THERE WAS DONE BY A PLAYER AT PACIFIC POKERFINE PERFECT NOT RIGGED150,000 HANDS%'S CHECKED OUT GOOD ON EVERY CONCIEVABLE CAT.

[QMCertain 0]

could you give me a link or something?

[KowboyKoop 0]

Everyone complains that PokerStars is rigged, and creates too many action flops. Does anyone know of any high profile statistical tests that were run on hand histories to check if the cards have the correct distribution over the long run?I just need something to point to for all the people who complain that it's rigged.

If Stars were TRULY rigged, it would have been exposed by now, seriously, drop it already.

[QMCertain 0]

Look, I know it's not rigged.I just want proof to shut up all the people I am arguing with.

[turd ferguson 1]

Look, I know it's not rigged.I just want proof to shut up all the people I am arguing with.

If you spend time arguing with people like this then your life is -EV anyway.

[QMCertain 0]

Holy crap. You're right man.I'm wasting my life =(

[shinychicken 0]

THERE WAS DONE BY A PLAYER AT PACIFIC POKERFINE PERFECT NOT RIGGED150,000 HANDS%'S CHECKED OUT GOOD ON EVERY CONCIEVABLE CAT.

Caps are NOT your friend.

[dEv~ 19]

THERE WAS DONE BY A PLAYER AT PACIFIC POKERFINE PERFECT NOT RIGGED150,000 HANDS%'S CHECKED OUT GOOD ON EVERY CONCIEVABLE CAT.

Caps are NOT your friend.

[Fluffdog87 2]

THERE WAS DONE BY A PLAYER AT PACIFIC POKERFINE PERFECT NOT RIGGED150,000 HANDS%'S CHECKED OUT GOOD ON EVERY CONCIEVABLE CAT.

Caps are NOT your friend.

I am just yelling a lot. Someone ask ed about the rigged thing to me about a week ago. I'm pissed that I do not remember the website, but believe me it was elaborately thought about before hand and very legitiment.

[ToddFuller 0]

in order for something to be rigged, it would have to benefit the one doing the rigging (pokerstars). So how does POKERSTARS benefit from being "rigged"??? It doesn't, It still will get the rake no matter what, or your buy in. So drop the ****ing "rigged" label for stars. Better yet, just do what I did,cancel your Stars account, that way you don't feal like you were "rigged" out of your money. Actually, now that I think of it, stay a member or Stars, that way I know this Forum, will ALWAYS be alive, do to the "stars is rigged" topics.

[Jelly-Filled Ace 1]

http://www.pokerstars.com/rng_audit.htmlIn May 2003, PokerStars submitted extensive information about the PokerStars random number generator (RNG) to two independent organizations. We asked these two trusted resources to perform an in-depth analysis of the randomness of the output of the RNG, and its implementation in the shuffling of the cards on PokerStars.BMM International is an independent testing agency and consulting practice involved with the design, evaluation, implementation, testing and management of computer and Internet systems. The company tests and certifies all forms of conventional and electronic commerce computer systems and networks, specializing in gaming, wagering and sports betting systems.PokerStars provided BMM with the source code for its RNG and shuffle, and software that PokerStars uses to protect the security of random numbers. BMM then subjected the source code and the output of the RNG to rigorous testing, including the Marsaglia Die Hard tests.BMM found that:# the PokerStars RNG and shuffle generate results that are truly random and unpredictable# the software used by PokerStars complies with all industry-standard requirements (including entropy sources, security, unpredictability, uniformity and fairness)# the software passed the Marsaglia Die Hard tests,BMM concluded that the PokerStars RNG and shuffle comply with the requirements of the standard "I0101 - Internet Gaming Random Number Generator Requirements."www.bmm.com.auCigital, Inc. is a leading provider of solutions to speed the development and delivery of high-quality software. The company is a major provider of software quality management (SQM) solutions to major corporations worldwide, including Visa International, AOL Time Warner, Motorola, General Electric, Ericsson and many others.Cigital has announced that it has confirmed the reliability and security of the random number generator (RNG) that PokerStars uses to shuffle cards on its PokerStars.com online poker site.Cigital analyzed the source code, entropy sources and documentation for PokerStars' RNG implementation. In addition, a sample RNG output stream provided by PokerStars was subjected to - and passed - FIPS 140-1 testing. Using standard methods for exploiting RNGs and having full access to the source code, Cigital was unable to break the PokerStars RNG. Cigital found that the PokerStars implementation adheres to the current state-of-the-practice in generating random seeding values."Software that can generate reliable random numbers is an absolute requirement in the gaming industry," said Gary McGraw, Chief Technology Officer at Cigital. "Our analysis included extensive examination of the underlying algorithm for random number generation. We can state with confidence that use of the PokerStars RNG results in statistically random sequences used to generate the poker hands dealt on PokerStars.com. This, in turn, should provide a safe and fair gaming environment for the site's players.""Cigital's reputation for excellence is well known in the gaming industry," said Dan Goldman, Vice President of Marketing at PokerStars. "Their previous discovery of critical RNG implementation weakness at a major online poker site made our decision to work with Cigital an easy one. Their considerable technical expertise and thorough approach to software reliability and security have established them as a trusted third-party evaluator."www.cigital.comhttp://www.cigital.com/news/index.php?pg=art&artid=86GlossaryEntropy: a measure of a system's disorder or randomness.FIPS 140-1: a U.S. government standard for implementations of cryptographic modules, that is, hardware or software that encrypts and decrypts data or performs other cryptographic operations. FIPS 140-1 specifies security requirements that are to be satisfied by a cryptographic module used within a security system protecting information within computer systems.Marsaglia Die Hard Tests: a stringent battery of tests for random number generators, developed by George Marsaglia, Professor Emeritus, Florida State University (who also developed a variety of widely-used RNGs).Random Number Generator (RNG): a system, device or module that creates a sequence of apparently unrelated numbers.New Conspiracy: The audits are Rigged.Have Fun.

[CaneBrain 95]

http://www.pokerstars.com/rng_audit.htmlIn May 2003, PokerStars submitted extensive information about the PokerStars random number generator (RNG) to two independent organizations. We asked these two trusted resources to perform an in-depth analysis of the randomness of the output of the RNG, and its implementation in the shuffling of the cards on PokerStars.BMM International is an independent testing agency and consulting practice involved with the design, evaluation, implementation, testing and management of computer and Internet systems. The company tests and certifies all forms of conventional and electronic commerce computer systems and networks, specializing in gaming, wagering and sports betting systems.PokerStars provided BMM with the source code for its RNG and shuffle, and software that PokerStars uses to protect the security of random numbers. BMM then subjected the source code and the output of the RNG to rigorous testing, including the Marsaglia Die Hard tests.BMM found that:# the PokerStars RNG and shuffle generate results that are truly random and unpredictable# the software used by PokerStars complies with all industry-standard requirements (including entropy sources, security, unpredictability, uniformity and fairness)# the software passed the Marsaglia Die Hard tests,BMM concluded that the PokerStars RNG and shuffle comply with the requirements of the standard "I0101 - Internet Gaming Random Number Generator Requirements."www.bmm.com.auCigital, Inc. is a leading provider of solutions to speed the development and delivery of high-quality software. The company is a major provider of software quality management (SQM) solutions to major corporations worldwide, including Visa International, AOL Time Warner, Motorola, General Electric, Ericsson and many others.Cigital has announced that it has confirmed the reliability and security of the random number generator (RNG) that PokerStars uses to shuffle cards on its PokerStars.com online poker site.Cigital analyzed the source code, entropy sources and documentation for PokerStars' RNG implementation. In addition, a sample RNG output stream provided by PokerStars was subjected to - and passed - FIPS 140-1 testing. Using standard methods for exploiting RNGs and having full access to the source code, Cigital was unable to break the PokerStars RNG. Cigital found that the PokerStars implementation adheres to the current state-of-the-practice in generating random seeding values."Software that can generate reliable random numbers is an absolute requirement in the gaming industry," said Gary McGraw, Chief Technology Officer at Cigital. "Our analysis included extensive examination of the underlying algorithm for random number generation. We can state with confidence that use of the PokerStars RNG results in statistically random sequences used to generate the poker hands dealt on PokerStars.com. This, in turn, should provide a safe and fair gaming environment for the site's players.""Cigital's reputation for excellence is well known in the gaming industry," said Dan Goldman, Vice President of Marketing at PokerStars. "Their previous discovery of critical RNG implementation weakness at a major online poker site made our decision to work with Cigital an easy one. Their considerable technical expertise and thorough approach to software reliability and security have established them as a trusted third-party evaluator."www.cigital.comhttp://www.cigital.com/news/index.php?pg=art&artid=86GlossaryEntropy: a measure of a system's disorder or randomness.FIPS 140-1: a U.S. government standard for implementations of cryptographic modules, that is, hardware or software that encrypts and decrypts data or performs other cryptographic operations. FIPS 140-1 specifies security requirements that are to be satisfied by a cryptographic module used within a security system protecting information within computer systems.Marsaglia Die Hard Tests: a stringent battery of tests for random number generators, developed by George Marsaglia, Professor Emeritus, Florida State University (who also developed a variety of widely-used RNGs).Random Number Generator (RNG): a system, device or module that creates a sequence of apparently unrelated numbers.New Conspiracy: The audits are Rigged.Have Fun.

who is that girl holding up that sign? thats funny.

[sirphatticus 0]

the newest card player has an article written by lee jones (of pokerstars for anyone who lives underneath a b&m) discussing odds of things happening...interesting read, sort of an explanation of all the wacky stuff.http://cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archi...5159&m_id=65578

[SHOTPUTSTAR 0]

BMM found that:  # the PokerStars RNG and shuffle generate results that are truly random and unpredictable  # the software used by PokerStars complies with all industry-standard requirements (including entropy sources, security, unpredictability, uniformity and fairness)  # the software passed the Marsaglia Die Hard tests,

That's like my favorite movie. If it passed the Die Hard test, then I think I'll take of my tinfoil.!!

[Jelly-Filled Ace 1]

who is that girl holding up that sign?   thats funny.

I wish there were a great story behind the picture that included saucy forum smut but she is nothing more than a base picture on a site where they have various people in all different kinds of situations holding blank posters, all you do is write in whatever you want.I have had that pic in my pic files for at least 3 years and totally forgot about it, some chick made it and sent it to me.I'm pretty sure the site is no longer on the www

[WhiteSpade 0]

the newest card player has an article written by lee jones (of pokerstars for anyone who lives underneath a b&m) discussing odds of things happening...interesting read, sort of an explanation of all the wacky stuff.http://cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archi...&m_id=65578

Very interesting read. Thanks.

[MarionSauce 0]

saucy forum smutAre you trying to tell me something? :shock:

[Jelly-Filled Ace 1]

saucy forum smutAre  you trying to tell me something?  :shock:

haha - you even used the shocked icon.All I can say is a line from a Kinks song "paranoia self-destroyah"Note* I'm like damn -near 3 decades your senior so our adjectives may differ considerably. :wink: