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[econ_tim 0]

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: econ_tim is SB with T:diamond:, T:club:. UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, econ_tim completes, BB checks.Flop: (6 SB) 3:heart:, 4:club:, K:heart: (6 players)econ_tim checks, BB bets, UTG folds, MP calls, CO folds, Button folds, econ_tim calls.Turn: (4.50 BB) Q:diamond: (3 players)econ_tim bets, BB calls, MP calls.River: (7.50 BB) 5:heart: (3 players)econ_tim checks, BB bets, MP calls, econ_tim folds.Final Pot: 9.50 BBWhat do you think?BB could bet draws, middle pair, or nothing on this flop.

[screech 0]

You played this one kinda weird.I think pf is a clear value raise.Flop is fine.I like the turn.River is good.Maybe you never played so strange. It just seems that way.

[Sushiman 0]

I don't play shorthanded, but I'm just not liking this. Why no raise preflop? Flop: Why overcall here? If you feel your hand is best why not charge the draws with a check raise? It is almost impossible to improve your hand. All high cards are bad for you, low cards fill up low straight draws, and any heart is bad. Turn: What do you think thier hand ranges are? Are you still ahead with two overs? I'm feeling that this is not a value bet and you are trying to get them to fold the hand. What will fold here since all the good draws still have odds? Only hands that you have totally crushed will fold here. River: Yea, you were probably beat.

[KDawgCometh 2]

You played this one kinda weird.I think pf is a clear value raise.Flop is fine.I like the turn.River is good.Maybe you never played so strange. It just seems that way.

well, yes and no. The problem being is that you are OOP for the entire hand and betting into a field, and there aren't gonna be enough decent flops with 4 limpers ahead of us(and since teh BB will be getting odds on any hand, he will have to call, so we will have 6 to the flop OOP). Here is a situation where I think any PF equity that is lost will be better gained by pushing post flop on any semi-decent floptim, personally, I think you should've just flat out called it down if you were gonna play it like that. Honestly though, you should be CRing the flop the way it has played out, or just lead it. Gaybetting the turn just doesn't work for me as no hand is folding there that you want to fold. A flush draw is still calling, and you aren't folding a bad king, and now you probably aren't folding a Queen either.

[Abbaddabba 0]

I think there was a discussion about raising from the blinds with pairs, and the consensus was that to raise with several limpers, the arbitrary cutoff point was set at queens. With only two or three limpers, i think you could probably stretch that to jacks.I'd probably bet the flop. If i did check though, i'd just fold to a bet from the bb with a caller in between, and raise a late position bettor.

[Actuary 3]

with 5 others in hand.Don't we make up our extra SB by raising here prelop, when we do hit?We only need the 5 +2 more SB to compensate for the 7:1 set chance. We also may have some, albeit small, fold equity.I'm not good enough to take this pot down too often without improving against 5 others. If I were, I may be able to justify not tieing more hands to the pot.

[screech 0]

well, yes and no. The problem being is that you are OOP for the entire hand and betting into a field, and there aren't gonna be enough decent flops with 4 limpers ahead of us(and since teh BB will be getting odds on any hand, he will have to call, so we will have 6 to the flop OOP). Here is a situation where I think any PF equity that is lost will be better gained by pushing post flop on any semi-decent flop

Against good players, I agree with this. If we flop an overpair, it will be much easier to get good players to lay down their hand on teh flop when the pot is small. Also, good players aren't going to be limping with trash, so it's likely that all the overcards that hit the flop will be bad for us. Also, good players won't go as far with their weak made hands as the bad players.Against weak players, I would rather just go ahead and raise. We will flop an overpair 36.4% of the time. We will flop a set an additionaly 12% of the time. Additionally, our opponents will be limping in with stuff like 65, J7, 22, and all sorts of other garbage. Even when an overcard hits, it's not as likely to hurt us. I understand that we are OOP. But it's not as bad vs poor players. And if the flop comes bad, we don't have to bet. Our equity vs these bad players is too high to pass up.

[MrNiceGuy 0]

Against weak players, I would rather just go ahead and raise. We will flop an overpair 36.4% of the time. We will flop a set an additionaly 12% of the time.

If I'm not mistaken, I have 36.4% for J's. For T's, I have 25.3%. But still, I think that's enough to raise with T's, unless most of the limpers are decent players.I would typically limp with 99 there, though.

[screech 0]

Against weak players, I would rather just go ahead and raise. We will flop an overpair 36.4% of the time. We will flop a set an additionaly 12% of the time.

If I'm not mistaken, I have 36.4% for J's. For T's, I have 25.3%. But still, I think that's enough to raise with T's, unless most of the limpers are decent players.I would typically limp with 99 there, though.

Your're right.