jayboogie 0 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Hero has AA in COutg+1 limps, hero raises, sb 3-bets, utg+1 cold calls, hero caps, sb calls, utg+1 callsFLOP: K 4 7 rainbowsb checks, utg+1 checks, hero bets, sb calls, utg+1 callsTURN: 4sb checks, utg+1 bets, hero calls, sb raises, utg+1 3-bets, hero??Obviously this is not the ideal spot to be in, but this looks like a standard laydown right? I've got the sb sitting on KK and have no idea what the limper has, but most likely trips after he 3-bets the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
zimmer4141 0 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 What limit is this at? If it's 1/2 or below, I think I have to call this down honestly. If it's 2/4 or above, I'm probably folding. Link to post Share on other sites
jayboogie 0 Posted November 24, 2005 Author Share Posted November 24, 2005 This was at 3/6. With the way things been going I wish I were playing 1/2, I've been getting crushed lately and have stepped down from the middle limits temporarily to try and gain some kind of confidence back. Link to post Share on other sites
justblaze 0 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 This was at 3/6. With the way things been going I wish I were playing 1/2, I've been getting crushed lately and have stepped down from the middle limits temporarily to try and gain some kind of confidence back.depends on UTG+1. if hes reasonable you probably have to fold, but i think a lot of 3-6 players make it 3 here with AK. Link to post Share on other sites
jayboogie 0 Posted November 24, 2005 Author Share Posted November 24, 2005 This was at 3/6. With the way things been going I wish I were playing 1/2, I've been getting crushed lately and have stepped down from the middle limits temporarily to try and gain some kind of confidence back.depends on UTG+1. if hes reasonable you probably have to fold, but i think a lot of 3-6 players make it 3 here with AK.Well, utg+1 was pretty loose and capable of playing pretty much anything. When the 4 comes on the turn and he fires out, I really have no idea where I'm at, but am stuck in a situation where I'm probably going to still show this hand down.After it's 2 bets cold to me though, I'm pretty sure 1 of them has me beat if not both. AK was probably the only hand that I was beating at this point and was a slight possibility, but I really didn't think so. Link to post Share on other sites
justblaze 0 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 This was at 3/6. With the way things been going I wish I were playing 1/2, I've been getting crushed lately and have stepped down from the middle limits temporarily to try and gain some kind of confidence back.depends on UTG+1. if hes reasonable you probably have to fold, but i think a lot of 3-6 players make it 3 here with AK.Well, utg+1 was pretty loose and capable of playing pretty much anything. When the 4 comes on the turn and he fires out, I really have no idea where I'm at, but am stuck in a situation where I'm probably going to still show this hand down.After it's 2 bets cold to me though, I'm pretty sure 1 of them has me beat if not both. AK was probably the only hand that I was beating at this point and was a slight possibility, but I really didn't think so.consider me jaded by 6 max then. i call down often here. Link to post Share on other sites
jayboogie 0 Posted November 24, 2005 Author Share Posted November 24, 2005 This hand was played 5 handed actually. These guys were not exactly good players, but they didn't really get too out of line either without a hand. Pretty much the only thing I could have hoped for was AK from the sb and it's hard to imagine utg+1 with anything other than trips with how he played it. He'd have to be pretty stupid to try and pull a bluff with a king high board when it was capped pre-flop. Link to post Share on other sites
nikatha 0 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Since we dont have any good reads or any good info. What suit is the 4 on turn does it bring a flushdraw out? Lots of ppl go nuts if they have top pair and a flushdraw.Personaly, if I would be last to act on river... i think i would cap the turn.Most of the time that would buy me a checkdown with the chance of winning the pot. Ppl generally slow down. If that would not be the case then you have to fold. Im probably not making sense here, but without any good reads well *shrugs* Link to post Share on other sites
Briguy 0 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 5-handed? Raise the turn on your first action! UTG could easily have a naked K or a K7. SB could be on QQ-88. Slow down if 3-bet. Link to post Share on other sites
jayboogie 0 Posted November 24, 2005 Author Share Posted November 24, 2005 Raising the turn is a bad play, I'm in a really sticky situation if 3-bet or have it capped to me, because if I'm putting this many bets in on the turn, I'd be hardpressed to fold the river in a big pot. Raising should be done either solely for value, protection of your hand, gaining free cards. In this situation, none of that applies, if he has something like 2 pair, you're going to counterfeit it with that low card pairing up. You also have no idea whether your still ahead here as a set is a posssiblity, trips is a possibility, somebody playing A4, 45, 46 is not out of the question here.If you're ahead here, your opponents are drawing to 2 outs and it's not like you're giving them a free card to hit it, so protecting your hand is not needed and you're not exactly raising for value if you're not sure if you have the best hand. You're also way behind and drawing to 2 outs yourself if you happen to be behind here on the turn, which is not the ideal situation to be popping the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 5-handed? Raise the turn on your first action! UTG could easily have a naked K or a K7. SB could be on QQ-88. Slow down if 3-bet.My thoughts exactly. Not raising the turn is a bad play, I'm in a really sticky situation if 3-bet or have it capped to me, because if I'm putting this many bets in on the turn, I'd be hardpressed to fold the river in a big pot.FYP.I don't see how this turn can be anything but a raise. So what if you get put in a sticky situation. Then you have to play poker. You're missing on some serious value by just calling here. I think this happens to most of us when we are in the middle of a terrible downswing. We always look at what can beat us instead of focusing on how to maximize our value.It is fairly unlikely that someone UTG his trip 4's here unless he's very loose. Expect something like KQ, 56, or just a really dumb attempt to bluff at a scare card more often than 44.This is not really a wa/wb scenario. It's more of a wa scenario. And if sb is going to call this donk bet, he's probably going to call 2 cold as well. Link to post Share on other sites
Briguy 0 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Raising should be done solely for value.Full stop. Link to post Share on other sites
jayboogie 0 Posted November 24, 2005 Author Share Posted November 24, 2005 Perhaps I should have posted some reads. utg+1 was definitely loose and he was not capable of pulling an idiotic bluff at this point. He played loose but he also played the cards and was really straight forward, he bet when he had it and folded when he didn't for the most part.The sb waking up like that pretty much told me he had KK for a set. I know this opponent would have bet or put in a raise on the flop if he had AK most likely.I dislike raising the turn, because if it's 3-bet or capped, your almost certainly drawing to 2 outs and way behind. If you raise, you may fold hands that would call you such as QQ and etc that may have called down otherwise. By raising the only hand that you beat and may call you down is AK. Link to post Share on other sites
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