econ_tim 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: econ_tim is SB with J:club:, J:diamond:. 4 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls.Flop: (9 SB) 6:club:, 7:club:, T:heart: (4 players)econ_tim bets, econ_tim calls, MP3 calls.I'm confused about what to do next. As far as I know, Button is sane. Link to post Share on other sites
WonderfulSplash 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Fold any turn that doesn't give you additional outs. Link to post Share on other sites
the red bull 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: econ_tim is SB with J:club:, J:diamond:. 4 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls.Flop: (9 SB) 6:club:, 7:club:, T:heart: (4 players)econ_tim bets, econ_tim calls, MP3 calls.I'm confused about what to do next. As far as I know, Button is sane.I think the button has a set. Checkfold the turn, unless you pick up a draw. Link to post Share on other sites
econ_tim 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Author Share Posted September 29, 2005 my effective odds 5.5 to 1 or better assuming i don't have to call two cold on turn or river.are you that certain that Button has a set or better? Link to post Share on other sites
the red bull 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 my effective odds 5.5 to 1 or better assuming i don't have to call two cold on turn or river.are you that certain that Button has a set or better?Well, I'm not a Limit Hold Em expert,but it looks like it. YOu said that he seemed sane, and just look at the betting on the flop.Flop: (9 SB) 6, 7, T (4 players) econ_tim bets, MP2 folds, MP3 raises, Button calls, econ_tim 3-bets, MP3 calls, Button caps, econ_tim calls, MP3 calls. First, he called 2 bets cold, then capped it. It is a really bizarre play IMO, but it seems like he was trying to slow play. Plus, he limped in,so I would not be surprized at all if he had 66 or 77. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Button usually has a monster/a strong draw. I'm usually just calling the flop raise in this situation and reevaluating the turn. Too many bad cards can come that fill straights, flushes, overcards, etc... Link to post Share on other sites
Briguy 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 My guesses are a set, 98, 76, or two club overcards. My money is on 98, though, with an unusual slowplay attempt on the flop (i.e. a small mistake on Button's part). If you don't pick up a club, you are likely toast. If the board pairs, you probably have two outs only, but maybe you should call down in case YHIG against two high clubs or 76 (especially if the T pairs up). Link to post Share on other sites
econ_tim 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Author Share Posted September 29, 2005 I think you should consider a broader range of hands for Villain:sets: 66, 77, TT (9 combos total)two pairs: T7, T6, 67 (27 combos total, although first two are unlikely)straight: 89 (16 combos)nut flush draws: Axc (9 combos)pair and flush draw: Txc (8 combos)OESFD: 4c5c, 5c8c (2 combos)gutshot and flush draw: 8xc, 9xc (10 combos)plus maybe some overpairs or weaker drawsagainst the sets and straights, i'm drawing slimagainst two pairs i have more outsand i'm ahead against the rest Link to post Share on other sites
Briguy 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 It's pretty clear to me that MP3 is on a flush draw, or maybe TPGK. I'm just unsure of button. Calling 2 cold and then capping when MP3 neglects to cap so screams monster looking for value. It could be a monster draw, of course (flush+overs, OESFD). Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Tim,why did you 3-bet the flop? Link to post Share on other sites
econ_tim 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Author Share Posted September 29, 2005 Tim,why did you 3-bet the flop?That's a good question. Surprised no one asked it sooner.I'm not sure what the right course of action is. The board is pretty coordinated, but an ugly turn could still give me a redraw to a straight or a flush.I'm OOP and usually ahead on the flop, so once Button cold calls, I figure I might as well get more bets in now.If you don't 3-bet, how do you make more (or lose less) on subsequent streets? Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 If you don't 3-bet, how do you make more (or lose less) on subsequent streets?I don't know...it's something I really have a problem with.It seems to me that a flop 3-bet would be for value, but it also seems a lot like the two overpair hands section of SSHE. This example seems like when you have TT and should wait.When a safe card comes, I usually have no problems. However, when a scare card comes, I'm usually at a loss as to what course of action to take. If the action gets too heavy in front of you, you can obviously fold. If say, an overcard comes, I think you would be better off just calling if it goes bet-call. If a flush or straight card comes, you will probably have to call with your redraw. Link to post Share on other sites
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