dimseven 0 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 This should strike up some responses. 3-6 limitI'm in the SB with 7-7.EP raises, CO calls, Button calls, I fold in the SB.I'm not sure if this is bad, or borderline...If there was just 1 in before me for a raise, I auto 3 bet to isolate (not let the BB in for cheap). If there were 4 in before me I'd auto call.Also remember the SB in 3-6 is 1. Link to post Share on other sites
custom36 4 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Why is this even a debatable fold? Link to post Share on other sites
dimseven 0 Posted August 28, 2005 Author Share Posted August 28, 2005 Why is this even a debatable fold?Care to elaborate? Link to post Share on other sites
custom36 4 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Why is this even a debatable fold?Care to elaborate?The button cold called the raise already, so there's no need to defend anything. You will be completely out of position postflop with a hand that isn't very strong here. You're only playing to flop a set and with the 3/6 blind structure, your call would really just be a cold call. Link to post Share on other sites
dimseven 0 Posted August 28, 2005 Author Share Posted August 28, 2005 Why is this even a debatable fold?Care to elaborate?The button cold called the raise already, so there's no need to defend anything. You will be completely out of position postflop with a hand that isn't very strong here. You're only playing to flop a set and with the 3/6 blind structure, your call would really just be a cold call.I know.What about 8-8 and 9-9? Link to post Share on other sites
custom36 4 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Why is this even a debatable fold?Care to elaborate?The button cold called the raise already, so there's no need to defend anything. You will be completely out of position postflop with a hand that isn't very strong here. You're only playing to flop a set and with the 3/6 blind structure, your call would really just be a cold call.I know.What about 8-8 and 9-9?I'm not calling with 88. 9-9 would depend on my reads, but I lean towards a fold there too. I'll call with TT. Link to post Share on other sites
dimseven 0 Posted August 28, 2005 Author Share Posted August 28, 2005 Why is this even a debatable fold?Care to elaborate?The button cold called the raise already, so there's no need to defend anything. You will be completely out of position postflop with a hand that isn't very strong here. You're only playing to flop a set and with the 3/6 blind structure, your call would really just be a cold call.I know.What about 8-8 and 9-9?I'm not calling with 88. 9-9 would depend on my reads, but I lean towards a fold there too. I'll call with TT.Yeah 10-10 is a definite call. I guess 7-7 is EZ then, I'll fold 8-8 too. 9-9 I'd prob call most of the time.I guess when I posted I figured it was borderline, but eh. That line's closer to 9-9. Link to post Share on other sites
monoatomic 0 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Why are you folding pockets to one bet, with 3 people in the hand and the possibility of the BB calling as well?I could understand the thought if it was 22 or 33 and the EP raiser was a rock, but that seems pretty weak/tight. Why would 10 10 be better then 77 in this spot? You are still looking for a set with 10 10. Pretty much anything up to QQ you are looking to hit a set with.You call with 10 10 and the flop is K 8 J. You call with JJ flop comes down A 7 9.If you are going to fold 7's in that spot you might as well fold everything but AK AQ AA-QQ. Link to post Share on other sites
dimseven 0 Posted August 28, 2005 Author Share Posted August 28, 2005 See Custom, it's debatable! Link to post Share on other sites
dimseven 0 Posted August 28, 2005 Author Share Posted August 28, 2005 Why are you folding pockets to one bet, with 3 people in the hand and the possibility of the BB calling as well?I could understand the thought if it was 22 or 33 and the EP raiser was a rock, but that seems pretty weak/tight. Why would 10 10 be better then 77 in this spot? You are still looking for a set with 10 10. Pretty much anything up to QQ you are looking to hit a set with.You call with 10 10 and the flop is K 8 J. You call with JJ flop comes down  A 7 9.If you are going to fold 7's in that spot you might as well fold everything but AK AQ AA-QQ.Because with the structure of 3-6 a SB is 1. So I'm putting in 5, getting odds of close to 4-1, well between 4-1 and 5-1... and Sklansk-Jesus sets the minimum at about 5-1. Link to post Share on other sites
dimseven 0 Posted August 28, 2005 Author Share Posted August 28, 2005 Also to add to the last post, regarding 10-10 being better than 7-7. Because 10-10 has a higher EV than 7-7. Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 I'm calling that in a heart beat. Implied odds here are pretty big if you get a nice flop. I would fold 55, and I'm calling with 66 a little more then 50% of the time, table conditions pending Link to post Share on other sites
dimseven 0 Posted August 28, 2005 Author Share Posted August 28, 2005 I'm calling that in a heart beat. Implied odds here are pretty big if you get a nice flop. I would fold 55, and I'm calling with 66 a little more then 50% of the time, table conditions pendingOk so You'd def call with 7-7, I'd def call with 9-9, Custom calls at about 10-10... So it seems borderline?I'd be getting 5-1 if the BB calls, less than that if he decides to fold. Link to post Share on other sites
monoatomic 0 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 you are getting straight 5-1.If you flop a set your implied odds bump it up to probably 6.5 maybe even 7 to 1.If the flop comes down A 7 Q and you hold 77, you are going to get paid off more then enough to make the call profitable the times you call and miss. Link to post Share on other sites
JesseW316 0 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 I would probably fold this here, "probably" meaning like 60% of the time, depending on table conditions/etc.88 I would call more like 75% of the time, and 99 I call pretty much every time. Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 i call with 33 right there and dont think twice Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 actuallysay you have 77 in the BB instead of the sb.UTg raises, CO 3-bets, what do you do there? Link to post Share on other sites
allinbluff35 0 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 actuallysay you have 77 in the BB instead of the sb.UTg raises, CO 3-bets, what do you do there?fold, it will most likely get capped and we're OOP Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 i normally call Link to post Share on other sites
109suited 0 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 I call with any pair there honestly. You're playing it to flop a set. I mean, obviously, TT is better than 22, but you're looking to flop a set. Link to post Share on other sites
oreogod 0 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 i normally callTO the bb question, like everything it depends on who the players are.As far as OPs situation, easy call in the sb. Link to post Share on other sites
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