digitalmonkey 929 Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 I never though about that, The pope says gambling is wrong doesn't he?Except for bingo of course! Link to post Share on other sites
KidKanuck 0 Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Personally I think anything you do that becomes an obession can be sinful- eating too much, drinking too much, becoming obsessed with money, etc.does that mean those who follow a beleif, a religion or a god obsessively is a sin? Don't get me wrong I am not suggesting that you fit into this category...how would I know if you did, we have never met. There are however those who do obsess over these types of things all over the world, many millions in fact. This is not to pass judgement, just that I am curious of the views of yourself and those who have opinions on the matter.I am not a religious person persay...I believe everyone has the freedom to believe as they wish.take care,KK Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Personally I think anything you do that becomes an obession can be sinful- eating too much, drinking too much, becoming obsessed with money, etc.does that mean those who follow a beleif, a religion or a god obsessively is a sin? Don't get me wrong I am not suggesting that you fit into this category...how would I know if you did, we have never met. There are however those who do obsess over these types of things all over the world, many millions in fact. This is not to pass judgement, just that I am curious of the views of yourself and those who have opinions on the matter.I am not a religious person persay...I believe everyone has the freedom to believe as they wish.take care,KKInteresting point. Link to post Share on other sites
ticccal 0 Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Mike Matusow is in jail?....for what? Link to post Share on other sites
rkard 0 Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Mike Matusow is in jail?....for what?There's a thread about it on the forums. Search. Link to post Share on other sites
ThirdJoker 0 Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 ... I am actually an athiest. To many that word is shocking and most have the wrong idea what an athiest is. But, without getting to involved let's just say that I believe my moral values are in synch with most religons. Don't cheat on your wife, don't steal, don't be obsessive etc. That's nothing that a Christian can believe morally that I can't as well.... So let me ask this: Where do those values come from? Why act morally? If you don't beleive in God, then what is the basis for your morality? Link to post Share on other sites
rkard 0 Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 So let me ask this: Where do those values come from? Why act morally? If you don't beleive in God, then what is the basis for your morality?common sense?It's something most of us learn without god.Human compassion and guilt, I don't expect to go to hell if I do something morally wrong. I just naturally feel bad about it, the burden of guilt isn't something I want to carry. Link to post Share on other sites
longdistance 0 Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Quote: So let me ask this: Where do those values come from? Why act morally? If you don't beleive in God, then what is the basis for your morality? common sense? It's something most of us learn without god.I agree with the point of this response, not the tone...One can have a strong set of morals without having them dictated to him/her by an organized religion.I respect people who have strong religious beliefs, and I feel that non-religious people should be given respect as well, and not looked down upon as being sinners or "bad". Link to post Share on other sites
muckrake 0 Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Third Joker wrote thisSo let me ask this: Where do those values come from? Why act morally? If you don't beleive in God, then what is the basis for your morality?----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Wow.. I didn't know that just wanting to be a good person with morals and values meant that I had to be religious... If Religious beliefs dictate your moral values then let me throw this out there and pose a question.Did you know that according to the U.S. Department of Justice Federal Bureau of Prisons in the year 2000, The total percentage of specifically Christian prisoners is 75.13%.With this information I could argue that Religion causes folks to be immoral, I wouldnt argue that because I obviously dont believe it. But I do think that it goes the other way to help disprove that being free from religious beliefs = no morals or values.Just my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
m3lkor 0 Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Responding to the original poster here:Daniel has always been my favorite pro. When I first got into poker about a year or so ago, all I would do was watch poker on TV. The first time I saw Daniel at a table, he became my favorite player. I don't really know how to say it, but something was just 'right' about him. Not only did he play really well, but he seemed like a great guy also. Someone you could respect. As I got more and more into poker, and became a player myself, I have come to respect Daniel more and more. Not only is he one of the greatest players in the game right now, but he's got good values and knows how to treat his fans. The idea that he had a website didn't even occur to me until a few months back when I was on Hellmuth's site. I wondered what other pros had sites, so I typed in danielnegreanu.com, and lo and behold, here I am. I found a site where the best player(in my mind) not only took time to keep his fans updated, but to interact and answer questions quite fast. I think that's one of the things I like best about him, and he even said it himself in this topic: He knows where his priorities lie.So I guess all I'm really saying is that Daniel is a darn awesome guy, and thanks for getting me into poker. Link to post Share on other sites
cali_angelgurl04 0 Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 I am a Christian....not just one that says it but doesn't live it....I'm not saying I'm perfect...no one is...but I know there are alot of people who say their christian but if you watched them in their everydays lives you would never know it...anyways....just like its not "money is the root of all evil"....its the love of money.....If your family has to suffer b/c of your gambling....thats when it becomes wrong.....Alot of times gambling is looked down apon b/c it opens the door for it to become an obsession....I personally know what a gambling problem can do to a family...my dad (not a christian by the way) would often visit the indian casino near our town and he resently lost more money than we had...hoping to fix it by getting another loan on our house...but then that didn't work out...so we are going through a very hard financhal(can't spell sorry) time. Link to post Share on other sites
kalahari 0 Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Well I think the reason why 75% or whatever are Christians is not because they were Christians when they went in. I think there is something about facing 20 years in a cell that makes a person re-examine their life. Whereas if you are reasonably content and watching TV every night on your couch, larger philosophical questions tend not to come up as often (at least not for me).It's good to see this dialogue on here, I've had a lot of these thoughts myself. I am not the most informed Christian, but I believe the general teaching is not that poker is wrong, it's just if you make that your god and put that ahead of everything else, then that is wrong.There seems to be somewhat of an argument here among Christians and atheists, but I think everyone agrees there are higher things that ought to be put ahead of poker. For instance, I think everyone would agree that if you care more about poker than your wife and kids, that is wrong. I don't think you have to believe in God to agree with that. We'd all concede that if poker comes first and is more important to you than any relationship (whether or not one of those relationships is with God), there is a problem. But again, you could say the same about anything, not just poker. Which is what the bible implies. Link to post Share on other sites
braminc 0 Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 nice post kalahari, first one i fully agree with on this whole thread. :-) Link to post Share on other sites
steve7stud 0 Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 I think that Daniel is a great poker player. I also think that he is wonderful for the promotion of the game. He's done a great job with this site, and with helping other players. However, in my opinion, poker and religion don't mix. It almost seems like some people are beginning to idolize Daniel. I'm not on here enough to see if anyone ever disagrees with Daniel. Not that I'm saying that you should. I just think it's a lot of pressure to put on one person. Hope this post makes sense. Good Luck. Link to post Share on other sites
vegasholdem 0 Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Dan's da Man with da Mastuh Plan! Dan's definitely an inspiration to us all! Link to post Share on other sites
KidKanuck 0 Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 DanielNegreanu wrote: Personally I think anything you do that becomes an obession can be sinful- eating too much, drinking too much, becoming obsessed with money, etc. does that mean those who follow a beleif, a religion or a god obsessively is a sin? Don't get me wrong I am not suggesting that you fit into this category...how would I know if you did, we have never met. There are however those who do obsess over these types of things all over the world, many millions in fact. This is not to pass judgement, just that I am curious of the views of yourself and those who have opinions on the matter. I am not a religious person persay...I believe everyone has the freedom to believe as they wish. take care, KK I think everyone would agree that if you care more about poker than your wife and kids, that is wrong. I don't think you have to believe in God to agree with that. We'd all concede that if poker comes first and is more important to you than any relationship (whether or not one of those relationships is with God), there is a problem. But again, you could say the same about anything, not just poker. Which is what the bible implies.I posted the question above in an earlier post and it seems to have been unanswered...I am not sure if it was because it was just plain uninteresting(if so my apologies) or if it was difficult to address.I have a question for you (kalahari) regarding part of your post, that is in the same spirit of the last question....please understand this is only a question and not intended to be a judgement in any way...I just find myself fascinated by religion in general.I am in absolute agreement that if you care more about poker than your wife and kids, that is wrong. what I am curious about is if my relationship god were to be more important to me than my wife and kids would thatbe wrong?take care,KK Link to post Share on other sites
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