memphis-sc 0 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 i was just wondering if over the past year he was playing in many or most of the WPT events, or WSOP circuit events, or overseas...or just dong alot of publicity events? he obviously is showing he can play at a high enough level where he would have a few good showings in other big tournaments if he played them.if anyone knows...... Link to post Share on other sites
GhostfaceKillah 0 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 This was the worst post ive ever seen. Check the Main Event updates slapnuts. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=7955 Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 This was the worst post ive ever seen. Check the Main Event updates slapnuts.not even close. yours is worse for one. Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 This was the worst post ive ever seen.Why do you bother? You're wrong and you suck.Check the Main Event updates slapnuts.He never asked about ME updates. He asked about something else completely. You suck.You don't suck, but you are an asshole. Link to post Share on other sites
DeNuts1 0 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 Love when people start flaming without bothering to read the post. Link to post Share on other sites
mgitner 0 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 He did well in the WPT $25,000 event and I know he played at the pokerstars WPT event. He also played alot of the WSOP events this year making the final table in one. I my humble opinion he has shown himself to be a real champion and not just a lucky guy. Everybody knows having the chip lead on day isnt a big deal but having it on day 3 is if he can close out strong it would be a great achivment up there with chan's back to back and Dan Harrington's showing the past few years. Link to post Share on other sites
GhostfaceKillah 0 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 I said this post sucks for a reason. If you happen to scroll down the first page of the general forum, there is about 3-4 threads about Raymer already. This post is just retarded unless the OP doesnt realize that A.the Main Event is going on B. SEARCH(you can use just about any search engine to find the info hes looking for) Link to post Share on other sites
SabaAba 0 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 He did well in the WPT $25,000 event and I know he played at the pokerstars WPT event. He also played alot of the WSOP events this year making the final table in one.  I my humble opinion he has shown himself to be a real champion and not just  a lucky guy. Everybody knows having the chip lead on day isnt a big deal but having it on day 3 is if he can close out strong it would be a great achivment up there with chan's back to back and Dan Harrington's showing the past few years.I hate when people talk about Chan's back to back as being great. Yes it was, but what makes it truly great is the fact that he went back to back to second. 1-1-2 Finish in 3 straight events is by far the best accomplishment ever. And he has 10 freaking bracelets. There is no better player in my opinion than Johnny F-cking Chan :-) Link to post Share on other sites
kfernandez 0 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 If you had to bet on a single individual to win a specific tournament and your choices were between Raymer, Brunson, Hellmuth, or Chan, you certainly would not pick Raymer. Therefore, even if he wins this year's ME, you still can't consider him the best tournament poker player ever. I'd bet on Hellmuth before Raymer. Link to post Share on other sites
MasterRich 0 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 If you had to bet on a single individual to win a specific tournament and your choices were between Raymer, Brunson, Hellmuth, or Chan, you certainly would not pick Raymer. Therefore, even if he wins this year's ME, you still can't consider him the best tournament poker player ever. I'd bet on Hellmuth before Raymer.I agree with you there, but answer me this....how many events were won by Brunson, Hellmuth and Chan all together where there were over 2,000 people in the event?....to my knowledge its zero...ok benefit of the doubt...how many final tables do they have together with 2,000 or more in an event?...again zero to my knowledge...now how bout Raymer?, 1 win and 2 Final Tables....and in the next few days we will find out if its 3...now of course Chan and Hellmuth and of course Brunson are better players overall...but Mad Respect to Raymer just for making 2 final tables in event having 2,000 or more players...and now this event has over 5,500 and he is coming in atleast the top 100, probably top 50 and if he gets lucky, or shall i say, as long as he doesn't get unlucky he should crack the top 25, another Final Table for him and i will put him as one of the best players to ever play in the WSOP Main Event....to me 9th place is worth a Win 5 years ago... Link to post Share on other sites
kfernandez 0 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 I am not doubting Raymer's ability. I'm just saying that if I had to pick a player to win any random tournament, Raymer would not be my #1 pick therefore I don't feel he's the best tournament player ever. Link to post Share on other sites
murphy77 0 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 He did well in the WPT $25,000 event and I know he played at the pokerstars WPT event. He also played alot of the WSOP events this year making the final table in one.  I my humble opinion he has shown himself to be a real champion and not just  a lucky guy. Everybody knows having the chip lead on day isnt a big deal but having it on day 3 is if he can close out strong it would be a great achivment up there with chan's back to back and Dan Harrington's showing the past few years.Up there with? How about far surpassed. If Raymer manages to win it how can Harrington's 3rd and 4th against 800+ and 2500+ fields be better than, or even close to two wins against a 2500+ field and a 5600+ field? Chan's back to back to runner up was against way smaller fields than that. Link to post Share on other sites
greatwhite 0 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 I believe he played in several WPT events, but I' not 100% sure. Link to post Share on other sites
Governator 54 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 If you don't care or if this is very old news, then don't flame but if you are interested in reading about Raymer's financials after last years main event then read away, it's a good read:----As is well known, I won $5M. I had a backing deal (see below), and my backers got about $2.1M, leaving me with $2.9M. After paying state and federal taxes, I will end up with about $1.7M. A far cry from $5M, but still a very happy number. ;-)I had a deal with my wife where my bankroll was a fixed amount. By 2001, I was playing in some pretty big games, as my bankroll had grown to support it. For example, I would often play in the 75-150 mixed games at Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun, and occasionally these games played as high as 150-300. In 2002, I spent a big chunk of my bankroll on my family and house, more than I should have. I then went to the 2002 WSOP, and paid cash to enter the main event, as well as a couple of other events just prior to the main event. Unfortunately, I lost about $30,000 on that trip, and was left with a bankroll of only about $15,000. The good news was I still had plenty of bankroll to play poker, but the bad news was I could not afford to play in the big mixed game at the local casinos anymore. Since the next biggest game that was regularly available was 20-40 holdem, I decided I should see about getting some backers to add to my bankroll, as I felt that having a piece of my self in the big mixed game would be more lucrative than having 100% of myself in the 20-40 game. Thus, I went out on the internet to raise money. I could?ve asked many of my poker friends personally, either live or by email, if they wanted to invest. However, I did not want them to feel any social pressure to do so, and did not wish to have any investors who were doing it because we were friends. I only wanted them to do it if they thought it was a good investment, and they had the bankroll to afford it. So, I put up a post on the rec.gambling.poker newsgroup, as well as on the 2+2 forums, laying out the deal and asking interested parties to email me. As you might imagine, I caught a lot of flack from the naysayers out there. Fortunately, I also found about $30,000 worth of interested investors, who bought anywhere from 1-10 shares each at $500 per share. I bought shares with my bankroll also. The deal was simple, though we laid out a multipage contract to cover all the details. Each of us bought shares at $500 per share. I played poker within prescribed limits for the rest of 2002. If we lost, each share took a proportionate share of the loss. If we won, I got the first 35% of the win for my time and effort as the player, and each share then got it?s portion of the remaining 65% of the win. Since I owned about 1/3 of the shares, I was getting a bit under 60% of the win. At the end of this deal, each share was worth about $488. We decided to renew the deal and do it again for the first half of 2003. Of course, there was some turnover, with a couple of investors who cashed out, and a couple who bought more shares (or new investors who came in). At the end of deal 2, each share was worth about $550. We did it again, and the shares were worth about $600 at the end of 2003. Finally, we renewed the deal in 2004, with the deal set to end as soon as I was done in the WSOP main event. At the end of the deal, each share was worth over $36,000. My largest single investor collected well over 1/3 of a million for his initial $5000 investment!http://www.fossilmanpoker.com Link to post Share on other sites
poker_bull 0 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 Interesting journal entry from Fossilman...One thing to also consider when talking about a comparison of feats between Raymer and Chan is not only the field of players in each tournament but the quality of the field that played. Sure Chan played in tournaments between 175 and 200 players; however, I would assume the only ones playing in the tournament back then were true professional poker players. Imagine going through a field comprised of 200 professional poker players...no donkeys, just pros. The last two fields in the WSOP Main Event, although enourmous in size (2600+ and 5600+), are predominantly donkey filled. That's not to take away from what Raymer's done to this point, but it is a point that not too many people are considering. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 The average quality of play is much better today than it was ten years ago.If anything, this field is tougher on average then it was when Chan won. Link to post Share on other sites
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