CaneBrain 95 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 actually you could really blame Carter...the finacial scam was provided by the government...i realize that concept is not natural to you but business people will find a way to make money with everything. The government turned the mortgage business into shit and wall street found a way to sell it...they didn't create it they just sold it. The good old boys in DC created it. i am not defending wall street in fact i would have let them go under and i would have let GM go under....or maybe they would have made it in a different fashion or in smaller more effective companies.If we had let the free markets run the cycle we would be fine, we would have had winners and losers, we would have had a financial crisis (which we still do, it is just deeper and now) and then we would have picked up the pieces and moved on. Instead we made the wrong choice at almost every turn, compound it by bailouts and social spending with money we don't have...glad you understand it was Carter, Clinton, Bush and then mostly Barak!!Nobody would expect you to get it anyway so stay calm.Your entire first paragraph is wildly inaccurate to the point that I am wasting my time. Link to post Share on other sites
Roll the Bones 74 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Your entire first paragraph is wildly inaccurate to the point that I am wasting my time.Yeah, but it is fun to watch you, mk and SS break up the right wing circle jerk that goes on in here with doses of reality. It's like taking their porn away and no matter what facts you through at them they insist that the centerfold really was in love. Link to post Share on other sites
Skeleton Jelly 2 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 the right wing circle jerk that goes on in here??? Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 38 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 ???What, you didn't get that invitation? Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 John McCain has a maverick flashback---http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/john-mc...-200836239.html Link to post Share on other sites
Roll the Bones 74 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 John McCain has a maverick flashback---http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/john-mc...-200836239.html hahaha,The idea seems to be that if the House GOP refuses to raise the debt ceiling, a default crisis or gradual government shutdown will ensue, and the public will turn en masse against . . . . Barack Obama," McCain said, quoting the Journal article. "The Republican House that failed to raise the debt ceiling would somehow escape all blame. Then Democrats would have no choice but to pass a balanced-budget amendment and reform entitlements, and the tea-party Hobbits could return to Middle Earth having defeated Mordor.""This is the kind of crack political thinking that turned Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell into GOP Senate nominees," McCain added, still reading from the article. Link to post Share on other sites
Skeleton Jelly 2 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 What, you didn't get that invitation?No!John McCain has a maverick flashback---http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/john-mc...-200836239.html "...and the tea-party Hobbits could return to Middle Earth having defeated Mordor. This is the kind of crack political thinking that turned Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell into GOP Senate nominees."That's pretty good.lolcats are still funny, right? Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Bush certainly spent to much money - granted not near as much as democrat but still it was out of line.cool story brobut wait, realityfrom henry's beloved cato institute, may 3, 2005:"President Bush has presided over the largest overall increase in inflation-adjusted federal spending since Lyndon B. Johnson. Even after excluding spending on defense and homeland security, Bush is still the biggest-spending president in 30 years. His 2006 budget doesn’t cut enough spending to change his place in history, either."http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3750ups???really Link to post Share on other sites
All_In 0 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Yeah, but it is fun to watch you, mk and SS break up the right wing circle jerk that goes on in here with doses of reality. It's like taking their porn away and no matter what facts you through at them they insist that the centerfold really was in love.pretty much dead-on. Link to post Share on other sites
Skeleton Jelly 2 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 reallyI looked at a handful of recently started threads in here.People with more than 5 posts in them:LEFT---------------------RIGHTAll_In--------------------akoffBaseJester--------------Balloon guyCaneBrain--------------brvheartdigitalmonkey----------colonel FeathersFCP Bob-----------------El GuapoJubilantLankyLad------hblaskLongLiveYorke----------Pot Odds RACMercury69--------------ShakeZumamk------------------------Skeleton JellymrdannygRoll the BonesSilentSnow timwakefieldvbnautilusTotal posts by lefties - 291Total posts by righties - 401The righties post count is inflated because Balloon guy has over 150 by himself and hblask has almost 100 (they're the two biggest bubbles).Graphically: Link to post Share on other sites
ShakeZuma 585 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 sure are a lot more circles over there on that left side huh... Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 cool story brobut wait, realityfrom henry's beloved cato institute, may 3, 2005:"President Bush has presided over the largest overall increase in inflation-adjusted federal spending since Lyndon B. Johnson. Even after excluding spending on defense and homeland security, Bush is still the biggest-spending president in 30 years. His 2006 budget doesn’t cut enough spending to change his place in history, either."http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3750upsreallySo according to a study done in 2005 Bush has spent more than Obama?I don't think that study defends your point like you think it does. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 pretty much dead-on.There you go Randy, you have All_in agreeing with you.If that doesn't reality check you than nothing will. Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I looked at a handful of recently started threads in here.People with more than 5 posts in them:LEFT---------------------RIGHTAll_In--------------------akoffBaseJester--------------Balloon guyCaneBrain--------------brvheartdigitalmonkey----------colonel FeathersFCP Bob-----------------El GuapoJubilantLankyLad------hblaskLongLiveYorke----------Pot Odds RACMercury69--------------ShakeZumamk------------------------Skeleton JellymrdannygRoll the BonesSilentSnow timwakefieldvbnautilusTotal posts by lefties - 291Total posts by righties - 401The righties post count is inflated because Balloon guy has over 150 by himself and hblask has almost 100 (they're the two biggest bubbles).Graphically:I object to being characterized as a rightie. For as much as I'm economically conservative, I'm even further left on the social scale. It's just that much of the discussion lately has been around fiscal issues.EDIT: The more I look at it, the more I think it shows the uselessness of the left-right dichotomy. Link to post Share on other sites
Skeleton Jelly 2 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I object to being characterized as a rightie. For as much as I'm economically conservative, I'm even further left on the social scale. It's just that much of the discussion lately has been around fiscal issues.Look to your right, there's nobody there. Link to post Share on other sites
JubilantLankyLad 1,957 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Look to your right, there's nobody there.How do you get your own dot on that graph? Because I'm not nearly as far left as you probably think I am. Just because I'm Canadian doesn't mean I'm a pinko (SHUT IT BG). Link to post Share on other sites
Skeleton Jelly 2 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 How do you get your own dot on that graph? Because I'm not nearly as far left as you probably think I am. Just because I'm Canadian doesn't mean I'm a pinko (SHUT IT BG). http://www.politicalcompass.org/testThe test is pretty horribly written, but whatever. Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Look to your right, there's nobody there.That's what I said... that's the economic axis.There are only a couple people below me on the social axis -- that's the "far left" of social policy. I think a real test would move me even further down toward the bottom. Link to post Share on other sites
ShakeZuma 585 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 the thing is, if you're separating political beliefs between social and fiscal, then we really only need to concentrate on the fiscal part. pretty much everybody here, even our resident fundamentalist christian brvheart, is pretty much socially liberal, so that really shouldn't be part of the calculation. but regardless, the graph still serves the purpose of showing that there are more jerkings going on inside the leftern circle than the right. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted July 28, 2011 Author Share Posted July 28, 2011 the thing is, if you're separating political beliefs between social and fiscal, then we really only need to concentrate on the fiscal part. pretty much everybody here, even our resident fundamentalist christian brvheart, is pretty much socially liberal, so that really shouldn't be part of the calculation. but regardless, the graph still serves the purpose of showing that there are more jerkings going on inside the leftern circle than the right.I'd argue that there are more centerists here than leftys. In the US scheme of things I'd probably be in independent and would have voted Republican most of the time in the past as long as my candidate wasn't a mouth breather on social issues but recently the Republicans have moved so far to the right that there is no way I could support most of them.In Canada I've only ever voted Conservative and in fact I used to be a member of the Progressive Conservative Party. Link to post Share on other sites
JubilantLankyLad 1,957 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 http://www.politicalcompass.org/testThe test is pretty horribly written, but whatever.Huh. Well, then, nevermind... Link to post Share on other sites
ShakeZuma 585 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I'd argue that there are more centerists here than leftys. In the US scheme of things I'd probably be in independent and would have voted Republican most of the time in the past as long as my candidate wasn't a mouth breather on social issues but recently the Republicans have moved so far to the right that there is no way I could support most of them.In Canada I've only ever voted Conservative and in fact I used to be a member of the Progressive Conservative Party.yeah that sounds like something a sneaky pinko would say Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 probably pretty accurate Link to post Share on other sites
Skeleton Jelly 2 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 probably pretty accurate Looks like you've moved down and to the right since last time you took it. Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Looks like you've moved down and to the right since last time you took it.must be all the hblask i've been reading Link to post Share on other sites
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