Official Republicans In Congress Are Idiots Thread

[Skeleton Jelly 2]

You're the one that most people think is crazy in case you haven't noticed.

Let's put this one up for a vote. Any wagers?

The truth is not up for a vote.

Pretty good nutshell there I think.

[SilentSnow 1]

Dude, you and I have had our moments, but I'd rather have 10 of you than one Silent Snow. I know you an underlying Personal Philosophy and work to define yourself by it in a rational manner. I don't always agree with what you say, but at least you have something to say and generally say it well.I know my "vote" doesn't count for much (especially during the times that I start to turn into the "Old RAC"), but when it comes to Crazy Irrational Statements without a shred of Rational Thought there's no contest. SS is only marginally more credible than All-In. Maybe it is a tie, because I don't even think All-In believes half the crap he himself posts and knows he's a Troll. I think SS is delusional enough to think he is scoring "points" and "winning" the Thread.

So you're saying I'm worth up to 9 Hblasks? Sounds about right. I'll extend my offer again- point out one specific thing I am definitely wrong about, or STFU and quit embarrassing yourself with these incredibly stupid insults.

[ShakeZuma 585]

I smell a new poll question!and lavender. it's one of those renuzit things!

[SilentSnow 1]

Those aren't facts, they are broad statements. To say that Republicans are "responsible" for 80% of a Deficit isn't even a provable statement. We will sit here all day and dispute who is "responsible" for what, but that isn't going to "prove" responsibility. It is a stupid statement to begin and not at all proven by your "facts" above.So again, what do I win?

Another example of your extremely poor reasoning skills. -You were the one that identified that as an incorrect fact. -You provided absolutely no justification for why you disagreed with it.-Now you are blatantly contradicting yourself and claiming that it is not a fact because it's unprovable. This of course also means that you failed to point out any instance where I was wrong. I think there are plenty of objective facts that back that statement up, but I'm not going to bother to go further with absolutely zero counterargument from you. So as it stands right now, you and Henry think I am crazy but can provide absolutely zero reason to back up this assertion.

[Skeleton Jelly 2]

I smell a new poll question!

Why not?

[BaseJester 1]

It's a well known fact that the US pays twice as much on health care as other wealthy countries and is the only one without a single payer government option.

By "US" here, you mean "The government and the people of the United States together". That said, I looked at the numbers and the US government does indeed spend ~$700 per capita more on health care than France.

[hblask 1]

It's a well known fact that the US pays twice as much on health care as other wealthy countries and is the only one without a single payer government option.

Siigh, this ridiculous statistic has been refuted so many times I would think even you would have enough shame to avoid repeating it.

[hblask 1]

Dude, you and I have had our moments, but I'd rather have 10 of you than one Silent Snow.

You are another person that I don't get the impression that I disagree with you on a majority of stuff, but when we do disagree, it's on issue on which we have strong opinions. I think we agree more often than not.... or am I missing something?

[hblask 1]

So you're saying I'm worth up to 9 Hblasks? Sounds about right. I'll extend my offer again- point out one specific thing I am definitely wrong about, or STFU and quit embarrassing yourself with these incredibly stupid insults.

You are wrong about the possibility that socialism can work in the real world. 100 years of absolute, undeniable truth.

[CaneBrain 95]

there is plenty of guilt to go arund. the last two years were only far and away the biggest and most damaging parts.

I'd say the actual collapse was the biggest and most damaging part. I'm stunned there are homo sapiens present on Earth who wouldn't gravitate to that conclusion.

[FCP Bob 1,312]

Siigh, this ridiculous statistic has been refuted so many times I would think even you would have enough shame to avoid repeating it.

Please refute the fact that the US spends a far greater amount of it's income on health care than any other country in the World. Just saying that it doesn't matter doesn't quite cut it.If you really want to impress me please detail why this is the case and please include both positive reasons for this and negative ones. Your answer will be worth 50% of this semester's grade.

You are wrong about the possibility that socialism can work in the real world. 100 years of absolute, undeniable truth.

All rich Western countries are to one degree or another Socialist. The question isn't Socialist or not Socialist it's the degree of Socialism in the economy and the society. Like in most things there are no absolutes which I know doesn't quite fit with your ideology.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

You are another person that I don't get the impression that I disagree with you on a majority of stuff, but when we do disagree, it's on issue on which we have strong opinions. I think we agree more often than not.... or am I missing something?

Completely agree. I actually thought you had a much stronger Anti RAC sentiment that I had towards you.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

I have a new "Best Case Scenario"Boehner caves and makes a compromise deal that includes some token Tax increase. The "Tea Partiers" won't like ANY compromise and they'll be indicted back into frenzied action. Several existing Repubs are scapegoated as a result and replaced with Tea Friendlies. Even more Democrats are at risk and ultimately replaced. Long term gain.

[phlegm 6]

It's a well known fact that the US pays twice as much on health care as other wealthy countries and is the only one without a single payer government option.

And it also is the only country that could defend itself against a mid level alien invasion, or a gaggle of super simian warriors. And this does not even factor in the involvement of captain america.

[SilentSnow 1]

I have a new "Best Case Scenario"Boehner caves and makes a compromise deal that includes some token Tax increase. The "Tea Partiers" won't like ANY compromise and they'll be indicted back into frenzied action. Several existing Repubs are scapegoated as a result and replaced with Tea Friendlies. Even more Democrats are at risk and ultimately replaced. Long term gain.

This makes no sense. The Democrats have already offered a plan with ZERO tax increases, but it has been rejected. I already explained what is really going on-Reid plan- 2.7 trillion in spending cuts, NO tax increases, raise the debt ceiling for about a year and a half.Republican plan- 1 trillion in spending cuts, an insane balanced budget amendment?, only put off the issue for 5 months.So Reid is offering the Republicans no tax increases and significant spending cuts. Basically, everything they claim to want.Of course they refuse to accept it because A) it doesn't allow them to hold the economy hostage again for no reason before 2012. B ) It doesn't allow them to dismantle popular government programs with no public debate or input(their real goal).Basically the Republicans are acting as economic terrorists- using their threat to destroy the economy to gain unpopular concessions that they know they currently don't have the votes for and probably won't in the future either.As to whether the public is really dumb enough to believe the tea party version of things, I'm willing to put it to an election to find out. By using threats to get their way now the tea party apparently is not.

[hblask 1]

Please refute the fact that the US spends a far greater amount of it's income on health care than any other country in the World. Just saying that it doesn't matter doesn't quite cut it.

I knew "refuted" was the wrong word when I wrote it, but was too lazy to fix it. The reason it is a stupid statistic is because it is like saying there is something wrong with our iPhone sector because we spend per capita on iPhones than other countries. The fact that other countries spend less is their failure: if a rich country that has a choice spends more on something than a rich country that rations that good, that is an indication that the central planners doing the rationing are not doing their job and are harming society.

All rich Western countries are to one degree or another Socialist. The question isn't Socialist or not Socialist it's the degree of Socialism in the economy and the society. Like in most things there are no absolutes which I know doesn't quite fit with your ideology.

It's called "biting the hand that feeds you", and yes, you can get away with it for a while. But the more you do of it, the more harm you cause, and the less that hand continues to come around for you.I would think a policy that doesn't harm people would be preferable to one that harms you just a little under pretty much any moral system devised by anyone.

[hblask 1]

I have a new "Best Case Scenario"Boehner caves and makes a compromise deal that includes some token Tax increase. The "Tea Partiers" won't like ANY compromise and they'll be indicted back into frenzied action. Several existing Repubs are scapegoated as a result and replaced with Tea Friendlies. Even more Democrats are at risk and ultimately replaced. Long term gain.

Under this scenario, I think the most likely scenario is all the actual small government people, the ones who created and energized the tea parties, would be demoralized and stay home, leaving the neo-con George Bush/Boehner Republicans that have become the media voice of the tea parties to do what they want.

[akoff 0]

This makes no sense. The Democrats have already offered a plan with ZERO tax increases, but it has been rejected. I already explained what is really going on-Reid plan- 2.7 trillion in spending cuts, NO tax increases, raise the debt ceiling for about a year and a half.Republican plan- 1 trillion in spending cuts, an insane balanced budget amendment?, only put off the issue for 5 months.So Reid is offering the Republicans no tax increases and significant spending cuts. Basically, everything they claim to want.Of course they refuse to accept it because A) it doesn't allow them to hold the economy hostage again for no reason before 2012. B ) It doesn't allow them to dismantle popular government programs with no public debate or input(their real goal).Basically the Republicans are acting as economic terrorists- using their threat to destroy the economy to gain unpopular concessions that they know they currently don't have the votes for and probably won't in the future either.As to whether the public is really dumb enough to believe the tea party version of things, I'm willing to put it to an election to find out. By using threats to get their way now the tea party apparently is not.

3 years ago the public voted in BHO with both houses of congress which allowed them to create a long term ecomomic crisis that our children and grand children are going to be stuck paying the bills for....never under estimate how dumb the public can be. think about it, Barak, Harry and Nancy all at one time - an epic failure of common logic. the poor people and working class will be holding their ankles for years thanks to them. hard to believe that we can't agree to go back to spending levels of 2007 or 2008...even they are to high but would go along way to help things.

[All_In 0]

Dude, you and I have had our moments, but I'd rather have 10 of you than one Silent Snow. I know you have an underlying Personal Philosophy and work to define yourself by it in a rational manner. I don't always agree with what you say, but at least you have something to say and generally say it well.I know my "vote" doesn't count for much (especially during the times that I start to turn into the "Old RAC"), but when it comes to Crazy Irrational Statements without a shred of Rational Thought there's no contest. SS is only marginally more credible than All-In. Maybe it is a tie, because I don't even think All-In believes half the crap he himself posts and knows he's a Troll. I think SS is delusional enough to think he is scoring "points" and "winning" the Thread.

and this thread gets stupider and stupider with morons like this.

[All_In 0]

You are another person that I don't get the impression that I disagree with you on a majority of stuff, but when we do disagree, it's on issue on which we have strong opinions. I think we agree more often than not.... or am I missing something?

strong opinions mean NOTHING when they are based on ideology rather than facts.

You are wrong about the possibility that socialism can work in the real world. 100 years of absolute, undeniable truth.

i guess you've never heard of the Scandinavian countries? or canada for that matter.the US-style of capitalism works? oh ya, only when socialist policies bail it out.

I knew "refuted" was the wrong word when I wrote it, but was too lazy to fix it. The reason it is a stupid statistic is because it is like saying there is something wrong with our iPhone sector because we spend per capita on iPhones than other countries. The fact that other countries spend less is their failure: if a rich country that has a choice spends more on something than a rich country that rations that good, that is an indication that the central planners doing the rationing are not doing their job and are harming society.

lazy? oh really? i would never have guessed, with your avalanche of facts, figures and articles to back up your argument.the iPhone example is awesome...awesomely stupid. the US med system is broken, is that iPhone u spend more on broken? u don't seem to realize that there IS something wrong with the US system.other countries spend less = their failure???? that last paragraph makes u sound like the false caricature of liberals u cons use. we have it so SPEND!but again, u fail to notice that u r spending more for a lesser system.Getting back to the debt issue:U.S. likely to lose top rating: economistshttp://news.yahoo.com/u-likely-lose-top-ra...-000214380.html"Respondents saw a 20 percent chance of a new recession over the next year, a prospect that some economists say has been compounded by the acrimonious political fight over what is normally a procedural legislative vote on the debt.""...without which Republicans in Congress have said they will not raise the legal $14.3 trillion debt limit, risking a potentially devastating government debt default in August."[bold added]

[CaneBrain 95]

3 years ago the public voted in BHO with both houses of congress which allowed them to create a long term ecomomic crisis that our children and grand children are going to be stuck paying the bills for....never under estimate how dumb the public can be.

Since the crisis actually happened 4-5 years ago but conservatives like to pretend it happened after Obama was elected.....well, don't worry we never underestimate how dumb people can be. Promise.

[hblask 1]

I have some problems with the CBO and their scoring methods. For example, they are not allowed to take into account that people may change their behavior in response to the policy that is being scored. But I do have to give them credit, they are about as unbiased as you could hope for given the constraints that have been placed on their analysis. Boehner submitted a plan filled with wishful thinking and made up numbers, and the CBO slapped him down and sent him back to scurry and try to make up other numbers.This is not a complex problem, anyone who can't come up with a plan to get the nation back on a fiscally responsible path within a decade should be impeached and replaced with someone who takes the job seriously. Simple fact: you have to touch the big three -- defense, SS, Medicare -- or you are endangering the country. Get over it and do your job.It's sad, but it appears the Democrats are actually giving better proposals at this point, and theirs are so weak as to be nearly useless.

[akoff 0]

Since the crisis actually happened 4-5 years ago but conservatives like to pretend it happened after Obama was elected.....well, don't worry we never underestimate how dumb people can be. Promise.

that is funny, the problem was first created at least a sizable part of it by slick willie and the rest of your boys in the 90's...that being said i already stated there is plenty of blasme to go around. Bush certainly spent to much money - granted not near as much as democrat but still it was out of line. Then BHO and his band of thieves put bush to shame with showing everyone how to really be creative in wasting money...but of course that doesn't matter to lefties - of course it will matter when the bills have to be paid. Those times are coming soon and it is going to hurt.remember losing 5 or 7 percent of income hurts little people so much more and they are going to lose that and more in wages and tax increases. if i lose 30 percent of my income from my primary business i won't change my standard of living at all, however if i lose that big of percentage my employees will certainly lose at least 10 percent of theirs as well...or the number of them will decline in fairly steep percentage. either way they are going to lose or hurt more...that is just the nature of the beast.

[CaneBrain 95]

that is funny, the problem was first created at least a sizable part of it by slick willie and the rest of your boys in the 90's...that being said i already stated there is plenty of blasme to go around. Bush certainly spent to much money - granted not near as much as democrat but still it was out of line. Then BHO and his band of thieves put bush to shame with showing everyone how to really be creative in wasting money...but of course that doesn't matter to lefties - of course it will matter when the bills have to be paid. Those times are coming soon and it is going to hurt.remember losing 5 or 7 percent of income hurts little people so much more and they are going to lose that and more in wages and tax increases. if i lose 30 percent of my income from my primary business i won't change my standard of living at all, however if i lose that big of percentage my employees will certainly lose at least 10 percent of theirs as well...or the number of them will decline in fairly steep percentage. either way they are going to lose or hurt more...that is just the nature of the beast.

two paragraphs and no mention of the economic collapse of 2008 that I was referring to. well done. I'm not blaming Bush; I'm blaming the private sector who fueled the actual collapse with their greed and recklessness.I mean....true funny is this response. You blame Clinton, then Bush, then Obama the most.....but you don't even mention the people responsible for the ACTUAL ECONOMIC COLLAPSE. It's amazing.

[akoff 0]

You blame Clinton, then Bush, then Obama the most.....but you don't even mention the people responsible for the ACTUAL ECONOMIC COLLAPSE. It's amazing.

actually you could really blame Carter...the finacial scam was provided by the government...i realize that concept is not natural to you but business people will find a way to make money with everything. The government turned the mortgage business into shit and wall street found a way to sell it...they didn't create it they just sold it. The good old boys in DC created it. i am not defending wall street in fact i would have let them go under and i would have let GM go under....or maybe they would have made it in a different fashion or in smaller more effective companies.If we had let the free markets run the cycle we would be fine, we would have had winners and losers, we would have had a financial crisis (which we still do, it is just deeper and now) and then we would have picked up the pieces and moved on. Instead we made the wrong choice at almost every turn, compound it by bailouts and social spending with money we don't have...glad you understand it was Carter, Clinton, Bush and then mostly Barak!!Nobody would expect you to get it anyway so stay calm.