Seems Like I Should Do Something Other Than Call Somewhere

[BaseJester 1]

Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 9 playersBB: $50.00 (Hero)UTG: $26.35 UTG+1: $55.30 MP: $42.55 MP2: $67.35 HJ: $50.00 CO: $50.00 Button: $52.30 SB: $192.20 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with (9 players)UTG raises to $1.50, UTG+1 folds, MP calls $1.50, 4 folds, SB calls $1.25, Hero calls $1Flop: ($6.00) (4 players)SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checksTurn: ($6.00) (4 players)SB bets $2, Hero calls $2, UTG raises to $6.50, MP folds, SB raises to $11, Hero calls $9, UTG raises to $24.85, and is all in, SB raises to $190.70, and is all in,

[fighter 4]

Pre flop is pretty meh. That is a very loose call. Turn you have to raise SB $2 bet 100% there. You have free roll possibilities against K9 and just crush 98. If you call then raise river on flush card, I don't think you win as much as just putting all the money in on turn. Since he didn't 3bet a half stack pre flop you can be almost certain he hasn't got AK. Or if he does it is heavily discounted. edit: also if he has 2 pair or sets, A,K,9,8 river really hurt your actionAs played calling the 9 is alright I guess, since UTG is certainly shoving and you might get more action from SB. On the third time round, have to call the shove.

[rrumsey 0]

i think you have plenty of equity given your price to call there. and i think you played it fine. and i would fold to small blinds shove.

[SuperJon 175]

i think you have plenty of equity given your price to call there. and i think you played it fine. and i would fold to small blinds shove.

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[Nashtak 0]

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I'll assume he's talking about the preflop call.Otherwise, +1

[rrumsey 0]

I'll assume he's talking about the preflop call.Otherwise, +1

yah we are getting 5:1 odds, im going to take a flop.

[trystero 0]

Turn you have to raise SB $2 bet 100% there.

yes sir.

[KingJames 11]

yah we are getting 5:1 odds, im going to take a flop.

K9 is one of the worst reverse implied odds hands ever tho, right?I mean, we make a straight and lose to AK, we are dominated by most of the Kx hands that we'll be up against... I hate teh K9 (I don't hate dogs tho)

[rrumsey 0]

K9 is one of the worst reverse implied odds hands ever tho, right?I mean, we make a straight and lose to AK, we are dominated by most of the Kx hands that we'll be up against... I hate teh K9 (I don't hate dogs tho)

i mean just dont go ape shit with a draw or pair and combo

[XXEddie 0]

I'm snapping. With UTG being short, you can win the side pot vs the SB and still just about break even. If SB happened to flat OOP with AK then just bink the river for ez moneys. I think preflop is fine. I think K9s is overrated, but this is a fine spot to see a flop.

[BaseJester 1]

K9 is one of the worst reverse implied odds hands ever tho, right?

Your comment is apropos to the turn action. If I raise and UTG reraises, I think it's clear to the SB that UTG probably has AK. Making the small blind fold doesn't improve my chances to win the hand and limits the size of the pot. Therefore, I don't want the SB to fold.Yeah, K9 has a big defect against AK.

[BaseJester 1]

I justify the preflop call by implied odds and position relative to the raiser. I don't think preflop pot odds mean anything in 50bb+ no-limit hold'em.

[fighter 4]

Your comment is apropos to the turn action. If I raise and UTG reraises, I think it's clear to the SB that UTG probably has AK. Making the small blind fold doesn't improve my chances to win the hand and limits the size of the pot. Therefore, I don't want the SB to fold.Yeah, K9 has a big defect against AK.

wait, you talking about the $2 bet or $11 raise ?

[BaseJester 1]

wait, you talking about the $2 bet or $11 raise ?

The $2 bet.

[BaseJester 1]

i think you have plenty of equity given your price to call there. and i think you played it fine. and i would fold to small blinds shove.

Interesting. I thought the earlier decisions were iffy but calling the shove was pretty solid. To fold, we'd have to be very certain that the SB had AK, as we wouldn't be getting the money in terrible (due to pot odds) if he did.

[fighter 4]

The $2 bet.

I think this is results orientated thinking. All we know at this point is that the SB bet 1/3 pot and the UTG didn't cbet a coordinated board multiway. Sure some of the time UTG will wake up with AK, most of the time though he will just fold since AK does cbet flop a % of the time and small to mid pocket pairs and suited connectors make up most of his range. Having potentially only a $10 pot on the river with the second nuts vs SB who could easily have sets, two pair and 98 when there is SO MANY cards on the river which will prevent all the money going in (AKQJT987 and diamonds ) is just FPS. I also don't think that the UTG's range is limited to just AK if he 3bets, JJ makes heaps of sense. He could also be slow playing since it is 3 tone flop and he is only a half stack.

[BaseJester 1]

Flatting the $2 was really the action I had doubts about. I appreciate your feedback.

I think this is results orientated thinking. All we know at this point is that the SB bet 1/3 pot and the UTG didn't cbet a coordinated board multiway. Sure some of the time UTG will wake up with AK, most of the time though he will just fold since AK does cbet flop a % of the time and small to mid pocket pairs and suited connectors make up most of his range.

Raising a suited connector, particularly one that misses this board, is incompetent play at FR. I don't put those in his range.

Having potentially only a $10 pot on the river with the second nuts vs SB who could easily have sets, two pair and 98 when there is SO MANY cards on the river which will prevent all the money going in (AKQJT987 and diamonds ) is just FPS.

Good point.

I also don't think that the UTG's range is limited to just AK if he 3bets, JJ makes heaps of sense. He could also be slow playing since it is 3 tone flop and he is only a half stack.

AK is 12 combinations compared to 3 for JJ. Furthermore, most of the same logic applies to JJ or QQ as does to AK. If we are the and UTG 3-bet, then we should fold nearly our whole range.

[BaseJester 1]

Turn: ($6.00) (4 players)SB bets $2, Hero calls $2, UTG raises to $6.50, MP folds, SB raises to $11, Hero calls $9, UTG raises to $24.85, and is all in, SB raises to $190.70, and is all in, Hero calls $37.50, and is all inRiver: ($129.85) (3 players)Hero showed , and won ($124.85) with a flush, King highUTG showed , and lost with a straight, Ace highSB showed , and lost with a straight, Queen highHero won $124.85(Rake: $3)

[KingJames 11]

getting there is good