Deep Sauce

[Ninja Ace 1]

Villain is... interesting. I have him at 37/26/3.81 over 250 hands. Only time we ever butted heads this deep I lost the pot boat over boat where AAAKK > AATTTConverting hands till the cows come homeFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.10/$0.25 - 6 playersCO: $34.01 Button: $11.72 SB: $44.12 BB: $25.00 UTG: $25.57 UTG+1: $47.20 (Hero)Preflop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG+1 with (6 players)UTG folds, Hero raises to $1, CO calls $1, Button folds, SB calls $0.90, BB foldsFlop: ($3.25) (3 players)SB checks, Hero bets $2, CO folds, SB calls $2Turn: ($7.25) (2 players)SB bets $4, Hero calls $4River: ($15.25) (2 players)SB bets $10, Hero ?

[SwolyswoND 1]

I'm guessing your only question is how much to raise. Making it 25 seems right. He can't call a shove with much worse - unless he knows just how maniacal u are.

[Ninja Ace 1]

I'm guessing your only question is how much to raise. Making it 25 seems right. He can't call a shove with much worse - unless he knows just how maniacal u are.

He does know how maniacal I am... but I'm honestly wondering if there's ever any value in a raise.

[Nashtak 0]

You are not calling the turn just to call this river. A shove would give him 2 to 1 odds but it's too transparent. I'd rather raise small, like a raise to 25. Gives him great odds and he may interpret it at an attempt to steal on this scare card. Your expressed odds were not justified without your implied odds, so you either raise here or fold the turn.

[Ninja Ace 1]

You are not calling the turn just to call this river.

Your expressed odds were not justified without your implied odds

Implied odds is the idea that you will make future money when you complete your hand. With his bet of $10, we paid $4 to win $21 on a 4:1Also I know I needed implied odds, but I really didn't expect to be lead into hard when I completed my flushAnyhow... I want to know honestly, what hands does he show up with here that we get value from when called on any type of raise?

[droberts 3]

Implied odds is the idea that you will make future money when you complete your hand. With his bet of $10, we paid $4 to win $21 on a 4:1Also I know I needed implied odds, but I really didn't expect to be lead into hard when I completed my flushAnyhow... I want to know honestly, what hands does he show up with here that we get value from when called on any type of raise?

5 6 diamonds.

[Ninja Ace 1]

5 6 diamonds.

this is what ran through my head, honestly... I couldn't think of a non-flush that might call... and there are way more combos of better flushes than worse flushes

[Nashtak 0]

Implied odds is the idea that you will make future money when you complete your hand. With his bet of $10, we paid $4 to win $21 on a 4:1Also I know I needed implied odds, but I really didn't expect to be lead into hard when I completed my flushAnyhow... I want to know honestly, what hands does he show up with here that we get value from when called on any type of raise?

4:1 is -EV. You have 1 to 4.5 chance of hitting your flush so this is a long term losing call even with his bet. Implied odds doesn't mean his bet only (but i'm sure you know that).Also, you get called by a set all the time, but in your case, by pretty much anything from AQ and up because you probably have an AFq of 22, imo.

[Ninja Ace 1]

4:1 is -EV. You have 1 to 4.5 chance of hitting your flush so this is a long term losing call even with his bet

Ok... even though I'm pretty sure hitting a flush in one card is 4:1... even 4.5:1 is still +EV at $21 to $4

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

So wait. We make our hand and we're considering just calling because we lost Boat Over Boat one time before to this guy and we already got our Implied Odds with his bet? All after calling on each previous street (especially the Turn)? What were we planning on doing when we got here?Raise to $25 and Call if he shoves back....or this says pretty much the same thing...

You are not calling the turn just to call this river. A shove would give him 2 to 1 odds but it's too transparent. I'd rather raise small, like a raise to 25. Gives him great odds and he may interpret it at an attempt to steal on this scare card. Your expressed odds were not justified without your implied odds, so you either raise here or fold the turn.

[SwolyswoND 1]

I can't put him on any kind of flush hand when he donks the turn. He might not have anything that can call a river raise, or he might have as strong as a set. But since I can't ever see us being beat, there's no way we can't raise. And if he does in fact know how maniacal you are, he will call the river raise much lighter than you think.

[rrumsey 0]

I can't put him on any kind of flush hand when he donks the turn. He might not have anything that can call a river raise, or he might have as strong as a set. But since I can't ever see us being beat, there's no way we can't raise. And if he does in fact know how maniacal you are, he will call the river raise much lighter than you think.

agreed, the turn donk is a made hand the vast majority of the time, v bet 25 dollars, it is kinda thin but you image is perfect for getting crying calls here imo

[Nashtak 0]

Ok... even though I'm pretty sure hitting a flush in one card is 4:1... even 4.5:1 is still +EV at $21 to $4

Nevermind, you are right. I confused 4:1 with 1 on 4But you still gotta raise. Do it.

[Ninja Ace 1]

I pussed out... still not sure if it was right to just call... LOL resultsRiver: ($15.25) (2 players)SB bets $10, Hero calls $10SB showed , and won ($33.49) with a flush, King highHero mucked SB won $33.49(Rake: $1.76)

[Nashtak 0]

I pussed out... still not sure if it was right to just call... LOL resultsRiver: ($15.25) (2 players)SB bets $10, Hero calls $10SB showed , and won ($33.49) with a flush, King highHero mucked SB won $33.49(Rake: $1.76)

Lol... i guess we just figured out why he donkbet that turn...

[rrumsey 0]

i mean think about how often he has that kinda trash here! you played it fine! unlucky!