Revolution In Massachusetts

[akoff 0]

Coakley has conceded.Final vote:United States of America: 1Insane Socialist Utopian Fantasies: 0

made me laugh at 600 AM...pretty good

So many of them have it wrong. Rachel Maddow just said it can't be a protest against fiscal irresponsibility, because the health care bill was totally fiscally responsible.Earlier Howard Dean said it was a protest against Bush. He quickly acted like he didn't say it and switched back to a message that makes sense.Some Democrats seem to have gotten the message: health care is dead.

The exchange beween Maddow and Olbermann was priceless...like watching a viewing. I loved it.Howard Dean needs to stay retired in Vermont. Nobody cared about him then and he can say as many stupid things as he wants and they don't matterSome have...hopefully not all of them. They need to keep it on the front burner...push it hard. continue to atempts at bribing the needed votes...yea that will treat them well in November. BHO and his band of thieves need to stay the course!!!!

[akoff 0]

Okay, so here's my idea.Let's say I'm a Democrat and I'm interested in passing health care. In the event that we lose a Senate seat, we no longer have our immortal 60 senators to block a filibuster. But, the Senate has already passed a health care bill. If the house votes in favor of that bill, it does to the President's desk and can be signed into law. The house is already saying that it may simply sign the senate version if they lose their 60th vote because that bill is better than no bill.Here's my idea. Have the house vote in favor of the senate bill. Send the senate bill to the President's desk to be signed into law. Obama will then leave the bill on his desk and not sign it, at least not at first. He will pocket veto the bill until a time of his choosing. Then, have the house and senate continue negotiations on how to consolidate senate and house bills. This means that, no matter what happens, a health care bill will be passed. So, filibustering negotiations does nothing, because there's already a bill on Obama's desk waiting to be signed. This will force Republicans and Democrats to get together to actually make a bill that is BETTER instead of worrying about getting 60 votes by one party and trying to sabotage the bill by the other party.In the event that the house and senate come together to make a better bill, Obama signs that and tears up the first one.Genius? Is this politically feasible?

Yes this is exactly what they need to try and do. Ignore all of the of the facts...ignore that BHO couldn't help them keep New Jersey (very blue state) in the fall, couldn't keep Virginia (12 months after he swept it), now Mass (bluest state ever) has a Republican senate seat for the first time in oh 40 years...LOL push forward damn it. Ram it home...I love it.There is no good bill coming out of Washington for Health Care. The options are to push the one they have which stinks, the people know it and have voted to prove it, the house knows it (that is why it passed by 3 votes and they have 30 seat cushion) and the Senate knows it (that is why they had to add billions in bribes to get it passed)...oh please keep pushing that option. Maybe with a little luck could toss out a few more bribes for the Unions, that will help them!!! or they could let it go....LOL BHO is far to arrogant to let it go...he is the anointed one!!!!LOL Democrats

[akoff 0]

I mean, that is a nice way to gain some political points with certain groups, but it really makes no procedural sense. The senate already passed the bill (by 10 votes I might add). Unless I'm misunderstanding something they can't very well stop legislation that was already passed because a single seat has changed after the vote -- nor should they.

Yes VB you are correct keep pushing...now BHO should ram the same bill through the house. Push it!!! Push hard see how much support you get from the house guys, remeber they all have to run in the fall, LOL

[Janfor99 0]

Thank you, Mass.

YW B) Being a "Masshole", and apparently the only one in this thread, I will admit that yesterday I voted for a person I will most likely (if all goes well) be voting against in 2 years. How's that for confusing .Checks and balances baby.

[Zealous Donkey 0]

I mean, that is a nice way to gain some political points with certain groups, but it really makes no procedural sense. The senate already passed the bill (by 10 votes I might add). Unless I'm misunderstanding something they can't very well stop legislation that was already passed because a single seat has changed after the vote -- nor should they.

I don't understand why this changes things either. I do imagine you will see at least a few democrats call for this to be scrapped by the president. Which puts him in the position of pushing through an unpopular bill that many in his own party don't even support. I will have to do some reseach to see exactly why the media is saying this changes things.

[Zealous Donkey 0]

I mean, that is a nice way to gain some political points with certain groups, but it really makes no procedural sense. The senate already passed the bill (by 10 votes I might add). Unless I'm misunderstanding something they can't very well stop legislation that was already passed because a single seat has changed after the vote -- nor should they.

Apparantly, if the House Bill and Senate Bill is compromised into a new Bill, both the House and Senate will have to vote on the compromised Bill. Now, if the House would decide to accept the Senate Bill as is, then they could vote to pass it and wouldn't have to go back to the Senate, thus making the seat change less important. That is the way I understand it, clarifications, corrections are welcome.

[dabetka 0]

made me laugh at 600 AM...pretty goodThe exchange beween Maddow and Olbermann was priceless...like watching a viewing. I loved it.Howard Dean needs to stay retired in Vermont. Nobody cared about him then and he can say as many stupid things as he wants and they don't matterSome have...hopefully not all of them. They need to keep it on the front burner...push it hard. continue to atempts at bribing the needed votes...yea that will treat them well in November. BHO and his band of thieves need to stay the course!!!!

I really liked it when Maddow had Dean on and he somehow linked the loss last night to George W. Really? I hope they continue to blame W. and the last administration for all their problems.... this is a real winning strategy for '10 and '12 imo. Not to mention, Dean later said that those who play the blame game are "losers." The whole production was quite lol.

[Zealous Donkey 0]

Yes VB you are correct keep pushing...now BHO should ram the same bill through the house. Push it!!! Push hard see how much support you get from the house guys, remeber they all have to run in the fall, LOL

Sounds like Barney Frank wants to start all over with more republican input. This is the smart thing to do. Obama should be the one calling for this. http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2010/01/20/barn...macare-is-dead/

[Balloon guy 158]

Well I for one am embarrassed for the people of Massachusetts today!They have shown that they will not vote for a woman for the seat previously held by a man who got elected after drowning a woman!Who's other Senate seat is held by a man who only uses woman for their money.Their most famous representative refuses to even have sex with a woman!And the women of that state knew it, that's why they put up the most palatable woman they could find.A small breasted woman who controls the level of nag in her voice!I guess she is only good enough to get coffee for us.Woman of FCP, I stand in solidarity with you over the insult dealt you by the state of Massasexist!

[Janfor99 0]

Well I for one am embarrassed for the people of Massachusetts today!They have shown that they will not vote for a woman for the seat previously held by a man who got elected after drowning a woman!Who's other Senate seat is held by a man who only uses woman for their money.Their most famous representative refuses to even have sex with a woman!And the women of that state knew it, that's why they put up the most palatable woman they could find.A small breasted woman who controls the level of nag in her voice!I guess she is only good enough to get coffee for us.Woman of FCP, I stand in solidarity with you over the insult dealt you by the state of Massasexist!

YOU GO GIRL !!! BG there is now an opening in the State Senate here??

[Balloon guy 158]

YOU GO GIRL !!! BG there is now an opening in the State Senate here??

What's your cup size?Kidding, don't post it or the degenerates will come out of the woodwork.Thanks for your help in getting this country back on track Jan.

[Janfor99 0]

What's your cup size?Kidding, don't post it or the degenerates will come out of the woodwork.Thanks for your help in getting this country back on track Jan.

I might ask you the same thing! I was drinking some tea and nearly spit it out all over the laptop when I read your post... LOLOLWill be interesting to see how Gov. Patrick and Sen Kerry handle their next campaigns.

[Balloon guy 158]

Will be interesting to see how Gov. Patrick and Sen Kerry handle their next campaigns.

I bet they don't ask Obama to campaign for them

[Naked_Cowboy 0]

I bet they don't ask Obama to campaign for them

i giggled a little.I was watching a focus group of voters yesterday as the returns were coming in. The group was split about 50/50 for each candidate, but included several people who voted for obama and voted republican yesterday. The ones i heard gave their reason as needing to send a message about the wasteful spending.I think that's a concept that's incredibly easy for almost anyone to grasp and I think it'll be the rallying cry for this year. You simply cannot take a country that's hurting financially, raise taxes on them, and spend all that money + money you don't have on things that the average voter doesn't see as affecting them in any tangible positive way.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

...The ones i heard gave their reason as needing to send a message about the wasteful spending...

This, of course, coming from the State that brought us The Big Dig.

[Balloon guy 158]

i giggled a little.I was watching a focus group of voters yesterday as the returns were coming in. The group was split about 50/50 for each candidate, but included several people who voted for obama and voted republican yesterday. The ones i heard gave their reason as needing to send a message about the wasteful spending.I think that's a concept that's incredibly easy for almost anyone to grasp and I think it'll be the rallying cry for this year. You simply cannot take a country that's hurting financially, raise taxes on them, and spend all that money + money you don't have on things that the average voter doesn't see as affecting them in any tangible positive way.

"But it's worked for us for years..."The Democrat Party

[phlegm 6]

YW B) Being a "Masshole", and apparently the only one in this thread, I will admit that yesterday I voted for a person I will most likely (if all goes well) be voting against in 2 years. How's that for confusing .Checks and balances baby.

He will not be runninng in 2 years for senate.If he turns out as well as he sounds, he might just go for Prez. Bump in 2 years.

[CaneBrain 95]

I think this means that independent voters are not happy with the Democrats.However, the more I learn about Coakley the more I wonder if she lost mostly because she is awful.She accused Curt Schilling of being a Yankees fan.Someone asked her if she should be out campaigning more. She replied: "What should I do? Stand out in the cold? Shaking hands?"She was photographed refusing to lend a hand to help someone up who had been knocked over by her staffers.This guy Brown sounds like a schmuck, too. His big ad campaign centered around him showing voters his truck. Politics is so dumb.

[timwakefield 68]

I think the real lesson here is that, even as a Democrat in Taxachusetts trying to fill Ted Kennedy's now vacant seat, if you run a horrible campaign you can still lose. Really though, I find it frustrating that one single senate election can potentially change things so drastically. Don't jump down my throat yet - I don't mean that how you might think I do. I mean that there should be debate and discussion and revision and on and on, rather than just trying to jam through whatever half-crazy, half-incomplete bill they've got written. Like, one senate seat shouldn't be the catalyst for continued debate; the continued debate should already be happening.

[LongLiveYorke 38]

I think the real lesson here is that, even as a Democrat in Taxachusetts trying to fill Ted Kennedy's now vacant seat, if you run a horrible campaign you can still lose. Really though, I find it frustrating that one single senate election can potentially change things so drastically. Don't jump down my throat yet - I don't mean that how you might think I do. I mean that there should be debate and discussion and revision and on and on, rather than just trying to jam through whatever half-crazy, half-incomplete bill they've got written. Like, one senate seat shouldn't be the catalyst for continued debate; the continued debate should already be happening.

More likely, this election will be a catalyst for less debate, since it'll be very difficult to get something through the Senate again.

[hblask 1]

More likely, this election will be a catalyst for less debate, since it'll be very difficult to get something through the Senate again.

You seem to be assuming that debate means "Democrats debate amongst themselves." I actually saw a couple Democrats today saying the exact thing that TW said in his post: that they should've engaged the Republicans and listened to their ideas all along but didn't, and that's why they lost.See, if you discussion is "we're going to force this down your throat because we can", that's NOT debate.If your discussion is "what do we have to do to get your vote? Why do you believe your idea is better?", that's debate.

[LongLiveYorke 38]

You seem to be assuming that debate means "Democrats debate amongst themselves."

My post had nothing to do with what I believe constitutes a good debate.Rather, my post was implying that I believe that House Democrats will end up signing the Senate version of the bill.

[hblask 1]

My post had nothing to do with what I believe constitutes a good debate.Rather, my post was implying that I believe that House Democrats will end up signing the Senate version of the bill.

I've been having a hard time reading your posts correctly lately. I blame it on old age.

[85suited 0]

This guy Brown sounds like a schmuck, too. His big ad campaign centered around him showing voters his truck. Politics is so dumb.

Hope & Change anyone?

[Jeepster80125 0]

My post had nothing to do with what I believe constitutes a good debate.Rather, my post was implying that I believe that House Democrats will end up signing the Senate version of the bill.

obama said last night that he hopes the senate waits until brown is seated before voting on anything, since 'the people have spoken'.Or something like that.