Ex_Matt 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Yeah, but that's only THAT hand. By you open shoving, I assume you do that alot. So my question is in general to how you possibly play AK for the most part.For tournies i'd rather get it all in pre-flop simply because I'm not comfortable with on the flop plays unless i flop a pair. I feel that if I whiff I have to c-bet, should they raise I might be pot committed given my stack. I also find that random shipping it in like that (makes me seem to be tilting ) and gets calls from weaker aces and at worst I'm in a coinflip. I'm only in bad if someone shows up with AA or KK. When you need to gain chips I think its a pretty safe play theoretically. I dunno, I just try to get it in good when I'm playing for someone else and I managed to do that so whatever, unlucky for the staker. Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Way to answer your own questionI shove so much because i see no value in ever folding AK in a donkament.You can't make this stuff up folks Link to post Share on other sites
I_fold08 1 Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 hey ifold08, nice thing of you to do to stake people back. thanks for not being a douche and giving something back see im not such a bad guy. but seriously i never intended on only asking for stakes and never giving back, it just so happened to look like that because i had gone a while not cashing. i am more than happy to give out stakes Link to post Share on other sites
Ex_Matt 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 You can't make this stuff up folksYa. You definitely cant make up being in an unavoidable spot no matter how the hand was played. Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Ya. You definitely cant make up being in an unavoidable spot no matter how the hand was played.lol Link to post Share on other sites
BeaverStyle 1 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 well, A6>99 to double up... then this. Thx for the stake... I think the bet sizing was good, eh?PokerStars Game #22137813259: Tournament #120443479, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (100/200) - 2008/11/17 22:56:42 ETTable '120443479 34' 9-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: tl45 (9085 in chips) Seat 2: LondonMills (7410 in chips) Seat 3: pliskin444 (12985 in chips) Seat 4: book52 (8345 in chips) Seat 5: jpo2933 (4465 in chips) Seat 6: NightTrain87 (6360 in chips) Seat 7: Beaverstyle (4005 in chips) Seat 8: mitsy42 (3500 in chips) Seat 9: SSArcher (1385 in chips) tl45: posts the ante 25LondonMills: posts the ante 25pliskin444: posts the ante 25book52: posts the ante 25jpo2933: posts the ante 25NightTrain87: posts the ante 25Beaverstyle: posts the ante 25mitsy42: posts the ante 25SSArcher: posts the ante 25Beaverstyle: posts small blind 100mitsy42: posts big blind 200*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Beaverstyle [Ac As]SSArcher: folds tl45: folds LondonMills: folds pliskin444: raises 400 to 600book52: folds jpo2933: folds NightTrain87: folds LondonMills said, "TO PAIR YOUR 6"Beaverstyle: raises 925 to 1525mitsy42: folds pliskin444: calls 925*** FLOP *** [Qc 2d 8d]Beaverstyle: bets 2455 and is all-inpliskin444: calls 2455*** TURN *** [Qc 2d 8d] [9c]*** RIVER *** [Qc 2d 8d 9c] [Ts]*** SHOW DOWN ***Beaverstyle: shows [Ac As] (a pair of Aces)pliskin444: shows [Jd Kd] (a straight, Nine to King)pliskin444 collected 8385 from pot Link to post Share on other sites
chrispycream 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Bust out hand:PokerStars Game #22137795629: Tournament #120443479, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (100/200) - 2008/11/17 22:55:57 ETTable '120443479 46' 9-max Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: EllyBellie (6525 in chips) Seat 2: sheerpower (5500 in chips) Seat 3: chrispycream (3715 in chips) Seat 4: goinx2 (16465 in chips) Seat 5: kibangi (8115 in chips) Seat 6: ianisakson (10150 in chips) Seat 7: Thinktwowin (1950 in chips) Seat 8: kbaces (10705 in chips) Seat 9: UltraSTEEL (18900 in chips) EllyBellie: posts the ante 25sheerpower: posts the ante 25chrispycream: posts the ante 25goinx2: posts the ante 25kibangi: posts the ante 25ianisakson: posts the ante 25Thinktwowin: posts the ante 25kbaces: posts the ante 25UltraSTEEL: posts the ante 25chrispycream: posts small blind 100goinx2: posts big blind 200*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to chrispycream [Kc Qs]kibangi: folds ianisakson: folds Thinktwowin: folds kbaces: folds UltraSTEEL: calls 200EllyBellie: folds sheerpower: folds chrispycream: raises 3490 to 3690 and is all-ingoinx2: SNAP calls 3490UltraSTEEL: folds *** FLOP *** [4h Td 6d]UltraSTEEL said, "f"*** TURN *** [4h Td 6d] [8c]*** RIVER *** [4h Td 6d 8c] [Jd]*** SHOW DOWN ***chrispycream: shows [Kc Qs] (high card King)goinx2: shows [Jc Tc] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)goinx2 collected 7805 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 7805 | Rake 0 Board [4h Td 6d 8c Jd]Seat 1: EllyBellie folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: sheerpower (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: chrispycream (small blind) showed [Kc Qs] and lost with high card KingSeat 4: goinx2 (big blind) showed [Jc Tc] and won (7805) with two pair, Jacks and TensSeat 5: kibangi folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: ianisakson folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: Thinktwowin folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: kbaces folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: UltraSTEEL folded before Flop Link to post Share on other sites
I_fold08 1 Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 well, A6>99 to double up... then this. Thx for the stake... I think the bet sizing was good, eh?PokerStars Game #22137813259: Tournament #120443479, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (100/200) - 2008/11/17 22:56:42 ETTable '120443479 34' 9-max Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: tl45 (9085 in chips) Seat 2: LondonMills (7410 in chips) Seat 3: pliskin444 (12985 in chips) Seat 4: book52 (8345 in chips) Seat 5: jpo2933 (4465 in chips) Seat 6: NightTrain87 (6360 in chips) Seat 7: Beaverstyle (4005 in chips) Seat 8: mitsy42 (3500 in chips) Seat 9: SSArcher (1385 in chips) tl45: posts the ante 25LondonMills: posts the ante 25pliskin444: posts the ante 25book52: posts the ante 25jpo2933: posts the ante 25NightTrain87: posts the ante 25Beaverstyle: posts the ante 25mitsy42: posts the ante 25SSArcher: posts the ante 25Beaverstyle: posts small blind 100mitsy42: posts big blind 200*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Beaverstyle [Ac As]SSArcher: folds tl45: folds LondonMills: folds pliskin444: raises 400 to 600book52: folds jpo2933: folds NightTrain87: folds LondonMills said, "TO PAIR YOUR 6"Beaverstyle: raises 925 to 1525mitsy42: folds pliskin444: calls 925*** FLOP *** [Qc 2d 8d]Beaverstyle: bets 2455 and is all-inpliskin444: calls 2455*** TURN *** [Qc 2d 8d] [9c]*** RIVER *** [Qc 2d 8d 9c] [Ts]*** SHOW DOWN ***Beaverstyle: shows [Ac As] (a pair of Aces)pliskin444: shows [Jd Kd] (a straight, Nine to King)pliskin444 collected 8385 from potnice work. keep it up Link to post Share on other sites
Ex_Matt 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 lolOk so tell me. If you played the hand with a conventional 2.8x the BB raise, are you ever gonna fold that flop or that turn?Forget that it was me behind the hand. I'd like to know how you avoid getting stacked with AK in the 3rd level of turbo tournament when you flop top pair (assuming u dont get it in preflop). I'm 100% serious here. Since you're so high and mighty / obviously the best poker player in the universe, shed some light so everyone can learn. And ya AK is sucha bad hand. What was I thinking?? Obviously they're gonna flop a set. God whatta donkey I am to forget that part. Link to post Share on other sites
theinvestor 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 15k at second break. Was down to 1100 earlier after 2 beats. Link to post Share on other sites
Gallo 1 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Ok so tell me. If you played the hand with a conventional 2.8x the BB raise, are you ever gonna fold that flop or that turn?Forget that it was me behind the hand. I'd like to know how you avoid getting stacked with AK in the 3rd level of turbo tournament when you flop top pair (assuming u dont get it in preflop). I'm 100% serious here. Since you're so high and mighty / obviously the best poker player in the universe, shed some light so everyone can learn. And ya AK is sucha bad hand. What was I thinking?? Obviously they're gonna flop a set. God whatta donkey I am to forget that part.I think you're misunderstanding my question. I don't anyone argues that you're not going possibly going broke on that hand. My question in general is if shoving that much with AK in general a good play? Link to post Share on other sites
bowlernick10 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 29,700 chip count at the 2nd break. Link to post Share on other sites
I_fold08 1 Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 15k at second break. Was down to 1100 earlier after 2 beats.good work keep it up Link to post Share on other sites
chrispycream 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 bust out hand posted earlier. thanks for the stake, sorry I couldn't take it down for you Link to post Share on other sites
I_fold08 1 Posted November 18, 2008 Author Share Posted November 18, 2008 bust out hand posted earlier. thanks for the stake, sorry I couldn't take it down for youno worries Link to post Share on other sites
bowlernick10 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 PokerStars Game #22138797040: Tournament #120443479, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (200/400) - 2008/11/17 23:42:24 ETTable '120443479 3' 9-max Seat #9 is the buttonSeat 1: luvnicehands (20647 in chips) Seat 2: bowlernick08 (37887 in chips) Seat 3: swayzack1 (4460 in chips) Seat 4: yourn (15115 in chips) Seat 5: Delija85 (22008 in chips) Seat 6: sagedecarte (13569 in chips) Seat 7: maddawg024 (14085 in chips) Seat 8: plessis215 (6846 in chips) Seat 9: Dj Smoke (11290 in chips) luvnicehands: posts the ante 50bowlernick08: posts the ante 50swayzack1: posts the ante 50yourn: posts the ante 50Delija85: posts the ante 50sagedecarte: posts the ante 50maddawg024: posts the ante 50plessis215: posts the ante 50Dj Smoke: posts the ante 50luvnicehands: posts small blind 200bowlernick08: posts big blind 400*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to bowlernick08 [Jh Th]swayzack1: folds yourn: raises 400 to 800Delija85: folds sagedecarte: folds maddawg024: folds plessis215: folds Dj Smoke: calls 800luvnicehands: calls 600bowlernick08: calls 400*** FLOP *** [Qh Ks Ad]luvnicehands: checks bowlernick08: bets 400yourn: raises 4600 to 5000Dj Smoke: folds luvnicehands: folds bowlernick08: raises 19000 to 24000yourn: calls 9265 and is all-inUncalled bet (9735) returned to bowlernick08*** TURN *** [Qh Ks Ad] [2c]*** RIVER *** [Qh Ks Ad 2c] [Ts]*** SHOW DOWN ***bowlernick08: shows [Jh Th] (a straight, Ten to Ace)yourn: shows [Ah Ac] (three of a kind, Aces)bowlernick08 collected 32180 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 32180 | Rake 0 Board [Qh Ks Ad 2c Ts]Seat 1: luvnicehands (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 2: bowlernick08 (big blind) showed [Jh Th] and won (32180) with a straight, Ten to AceSeat 3: swayzack1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: yourn showed [Ah Ac] and lost with three of a kind, AcesSeat 5: Delija85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: sagedecarte folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: maddawg024 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: plessis215 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: Dj Smoke (button) folded on the Flop Link to post Share on other sites
Gallo 1 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 PokerStars Game #22138797040: Tournament #120443479, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (200/400) - 2008/11/17 23:42:24 ETTable '120443479 3' 9-max Seat #9 is the buttonSeat 1: luvnicehands (20647 in chips) Seat 2: bowlernick08 (37887 in chips) Seat 3: swayzack1 (4460 in chips) Seat 4: yourn (15115 in chips) Seat 5: Delija85 (22008 in chips) Seat 6: sagedecarte (13569 in chips)Pretty sure he's a fellow FCPer. Link to post Share on other sites
theinvestor 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Pretty sure he's a fellow FCPer.he is, just noticed that as well. he isnt around here as much as he used to be. Link to post Share on other sites
theinvestor 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 18k at break. up and down this past hour. shovel mode cometh. Link to post Share on other sites
bowlernick10 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 34,300 chip count at 3rd break. Link to post Share on other sites
theinvestor 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 out in 102PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10+$1 Tournament, 750/1500 Blinds 175 Ante (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comSB (t83848)BB (t42833)UTG (t9490)UTG+1 (t16941)Hero (MP1) (t32217)MP2 (t30055)CO (t79479)Button (t31921)Hero's M: 8.83Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9s, Qs2 folds, Hero raises to t3750, 1 fold, CO raises to t6000, 3 folds, Hero calls t2250Flop: (t15650) 3c, Kc, Qc (2 players)Hero checks, CO checksTurn: (t15650) 6s (2 players)Hero bets t10500, CO raises to t73304 (All-In), Hero calls t15542 (All-In)River: (t67734) 6c (2 players, 2 all-in)Total pot: t67734 Link to post Share on other sites
Ex_Matt 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I think you're misunderstanding my question. I don't anyone argues that you're not going possibly going broke on that hand. My question in general is if shoving that much with AK in general a good play?I dont think its the best way to play the hand, but playing it that way has paid off for me in the past. Like I said, you're only in bad against AA or KK, but it is much more likely that someone could call lightly with an AQ or AJ. Considering the stakes i think there is a good chance of it happening and you have your opponent dominated.If you make a raise and dont flop your A or K, then you have to worry about making the other guy fold and it could just end up costing you a good chunk of your stack anyways. Thats the thing I dont like about AK and would rather guarantee myself seeing a turn / river as well as the possibility of making them fold preflop. Link to post Share on other sites
BeaverStyle 1 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 How did bowlernick do? I saw he was around an average stack w/ about 100 left... Link to post Share on other sites
Gallo 1 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 How did bowlernick do? I saw he was around an average stack w/ about 100 left...I think he went out in 70-something. He lost a couple big races. Link to post Share on other sites
Pivvy2001 0 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I dont think its the best way to play the hand, but playing it that way has paid off for me in the past. Like I said, you're only in bad against AA or KK, but it is much more likely that someone could call lightly with an AQ or AJ. Considering the stakes i think there is a good chance of it happening and you have your opponent dominated.If you make a raise and dont flop your A or K, then you have to worry about making the other guy fold and it could just end up costing you a good chunk of your stack anyways. Thats the thing I dont like about AK and would rather guarantee myself seeing a turn / river as well as the possibility of making them fold preflop.every single one of your posts makes me believe that your account is a giant levelyou shove into a completely dry pot with over 40 big blinds because you want to ensure that you get to see a turn and river; here is an idea, learn to play post-flop poker; the fact that you said that you only feel comfortable playing the hand pre-flop is astounding to me; how can you in good conscience take a stake from someone when you don't feel comfortable playing postflopand way to duck Gallo's point - his issue wasn't with that one hand, which in hindsight you can't get away from; it is that it would appear that you would play it like that each time, which is not a good ideayou are on a poker forum, be willing to take some advicehere is a start - get a new personality Link to post Share on other sites
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