jmkiser 0 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 OK, I knew Obama was a bit of a socialist before this, but he's I didn't think there were any unrepentant socialists anymore. He's downright scary with his promise to spend and spend and spend no matter what. He's got nothing to say except "my big govt is better than your big govt."/agreeMcCain is also getting Obama on the surge pretty good (as we thought, but done in a convincing manner)Obama was decent by re-confronting McCain... but it only helped to shore up dmg, imo Link to post Share on other sites
Sam Donaldson 0 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Took a while, but they're going at it pretty good right now. Link to post Share on other sites
85suited 0 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Lessons of iraqmccain - can not have a failed strategy, talking about needing additional troops, staregy that now has succeded, voictory and and honor, praises surge, stable ally, in we lost - more iranian influernce, wider war. we will come home victoriousobama - why did we go there, i opposed this war (in the illinois senate), because of afgan war... Spent 600 billion..lost sof stats he lists.. took eye off the ball, never hesitate to use force, but use wiselymccain - when we leave, obama said surge wouldnt work, didnt go to iraq for 900 days, chair person of nato committe that never had a meetingobama - relies on biden, tactic to contain the damage... says mccain was wrong at first part of warmccain tatic vs strategy...talks about re enlistment, cut of funding of troopsobama - very good retort on funding - goes back to wrong war ploy, outlines a timeline to leave iraqMcCain in a landslide Link to post Share on other sites
Marchione 0 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 no real head shots yet - tho i did like the soft dig that he got in about his vp choice Link to post Share on other sites
Sportsmack 0 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Obama: "Tah-leeeeeeee-bahn"sorry...just made me laugh, has no impact on the debate whatsoever Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Obama rambling on the war.... he needs to stop... blah blah blah. And I agree with him more than I do McCain on this issue, but Obama needs to know when to say when.This is the first time I've seen Obama unscripted for any length of time, and I don't see where all the "great speaker" stuff comes from. Is it just his ability to deliver pre-written speeches? Cuz he's not showing it tonight. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Does anyone have a link about this alleged song by McCain about Iran? Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 McCain owns on Afghanstan and Pakistan. Obama directly contradicts himself when he claims he didnt say he would invade. Link to post Share on other sites
Marchione 0 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I find McCain is talking down to Obama and its some what insulting Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Does anyone have a link about this alleged song by McCain about Iran? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8...86190&hl=en Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Does anyone have a link about this alleged song by McCain about Iran?Its all over you tube...pretty funny imo. Its a couple of years old at this point. Link to post Share on other sites
85suited 0 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Afgan WarObama - yes more troops, blah blah blahMccain - lessons of history, freedom fighters, not cut off aide to pakistan, tries to hit obama on pakistan policy, new startegy - maybe a surge??? Bombing of marriott hotel - Obama - will go after alqeada in pakistan - right strategy, something about iran and n. koreamccain pakistan - failed state, goes over his record. goes into lebanon, goes in to gulf, bosnia, somaliagood history lesson by mccain Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I find McCain is talking down to Obama and its some what insultinghe should be talking down to him, BHO is a newb and a disaster on military stategery Link to post Share on other sites
85suited 0 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 anybody have a obama uuhhh count yet>? Link to post Share on other sites
Marchione 0 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 great comeback from Obama about the mothers pain in greenbay ! big score Link to post Share on other sites
fatman 1 Posted September 27, 2008 Author Share Posted September 27, 2008 "I have a bracelet too"LOL Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Its all over you tube...pretty funny imo. Its a couple of years old at this point.I actually remember it now that I saw the youtube clip.I find both the candidates attempts at one liners to be total lame potatoes. I would call it a draw at this point. McCain still comes off as more presidential talking about foreign policy whereas I think Obama scored big points hammering McCain on his support for GWB's spending (while promising under him it will be different).In short, Obama comes off better on economy and McCain comes off better on national security. Just like the polls reflect. Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Obama is pwning on Iran. Sorry McCain, Obama successfully countered every point you've made.This notion of "legitimizing rogue regimes by meeting with them" is ridiculous. All you have to do is say "we hate what they're doing, we're meeting with them to find out how to make them stop."EDIT: Noticed I'd typed a Q instead of an N on the country, lol. Link to post Share on other sites
85suited 0 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Iran:McCain - Irain is a threat to israel and region if they have nukes, forming a league of democracy, sanctions on iran, ties iran to iraq, Obama - republican guard is a terrorist org, fall of iraq makes iran stronger, policy over 8 yrs havent worked, game changer line on nuclear iran.. stronger sanctions. Wants to talk with iran.. says policy doesnt work of not talkingMcCain - meeting enemies with out pre conditions, legitimizes them. history lesson on russia,Obama, he can meet with who he wants says mccains advisors say to meet with out pre conditions, Mccain - bad joke, clarifies on kissinger, gives lesson on foreign policyI find Obama not a great speaker off teleprompter, mccain has always been a rough speaker Link to post Share on other sites
Sam Donaldson 0 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 I find both the candidates attempts at one liners to be total lame potatoes. I would call it a draw at this point. McCain still comes off as more presidential talking about foreign policy whereas I think Obama scored big points hammering McCain on his support for GWB's spending (while promising under him it will be different).In short, Obama comes off better on economy and McCain comes off better on national security. Just like the polls reflect.Completely agree with this. Link to post Share on other sites
85suited 0 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Obama is pwning on Iraq. Sorry McCain, Obama successfully countered every point you've made.dis agree 100% Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 anybody have a obama uuhhh count yet>?hes actually doing very well on that Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 dis agree 100%What about with my correction, I meant Iran instead of Iraq. I think McCain won the Iraq discussion. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Obama is pwning on Iran. Sorry McCain, Obama successfully countered every point you've made.This notion of "legitimizing rogue regimes by meeting with them" is ridiculous. All you have to do is say "we hate what they're doing, we're meeting with them to find out how to make them stop."EDIT: Noticed I'd typed a Q instead of an N on the country, lol.wrong. What gets played on ME television is not what we want them to hear but edited to do exactly what McCain said...legitimize them. Obamas attempt at parsing the "without preconditions" and claiming that Kissinger said that the President should do that was embarassing. Link to post Share on other sites
85suited 0 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 What about with my correction, I meant Iran instead of Iraq. I think McCain won the Iraq discussion.I think that it is close... I dont know if there is a clear winner here honestly - depends on what your position meeting with rogue leaders Link to post Share on other sites
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