A10s Wa/wb?

[Mattnxtc 0]

This is from memory.I have no solid read on the CO. .25/.5 6 playersHero in sb: A 10 :club:Preflop action: utg limps, 1 fold, co raises, button folds, Hero 3bets, BB folds, utg folds, co caps, hero callsFlop: 9 5 10 :spade:What is my plan for this hand?

[pokerinc 0]

I'd bet out, call a raise, bet a good turn call a raise and check call a river. If a jqk peeled the turn I'd check call. I also suxor at limit, but at .25 .50 6 max that's what I'd do.Def. seein' showdown if just to note his 4 betting range.

[antistuff 0]

i am not looking to take this to showdown unimproved for a bet on each street, so check/call that flop and see what happens. paying three streets to see somebody's 4 betting range is silly, the situation comes up that rarely.also, i would like your 3 bet better if you were the button. yes, he is isolating, but you've managed to isolate yourself in a high reverse implied odds situation.

[Zach6668 513]

I would run out clubs.

[antistuff 0]

I would run out clubs.

the ole' online deck mechanic then eh?

[Mattnxtc 0]

anti...so assume the following....I c/c the flop. Turn is another blank...whats your line/

[antistuff 0]

even if you give him a really liberal range you're in trouble when he bets a blank turn.

[Zach6668 513]

I don't know what it's like at .25/.50, but when I was playing 3/6, 5/10, and 10/20, the poor, but aggressive players (they see Full Tilt ads), would double barrel this turn with their entire range, so I don't know how much I like call, fold.I could probably get behind call, call, fold, though, but at the same, time, I'd hate to fold tptk on the river for one bet once we get there, heh.Fwiw, in order to call down from the flop here, we'd need to be ahead at the river about 25.6% of the time.Playing around with some Stove equities, against a decently liberal range of 99+,AJs+,AQo+, our equity is 51%. If we tighten that up, to even 99+, AKs, AKo (you can argue even going to bigger pairs than 99 only, but 99, TT are sets for him, so it makes our equity even worse), we still have 39.9% equity.Of course, this assumes they blindly barrel all three streets with that entire range. Of course, as the hand progresses, we should gain more information about their hand range and be able to make better decisions. If I was playing this hand with AKo, even without the flush draw, I'd be betting the flop, betting the turn, and then most likely checking the river back, although I'd certainly consider the idea of a value bet vs AQ or AJ.Having said that, I can't imagine folding the turn for one more bet with TPTK here. Worst case scenario on the turn is that a K falls, and then we beat literally nothing in the tight range.So, basically, my plan for this handm upon further review is to c/c the flop, c/c the turn, and then make a judgment play on the river based on what we think of the villain. If he's a blind aggro bet-monkey, then I would certainly never fold this hand. If he's passive enough, and plays his hands very straight forward, then I would seriously consider folding to a river bet, and especially so if a K falls on the river.

[antistuff 0]

i give people less credit for double barreling with their entire range here without looking at the turn. i err on the side of needing a read to call instead of a read to fold. my experience with players lately is that when they say they have it they have it.there was a time when i would have called all three streets here without even looking at what cards fell. lhe seems to have changed.

[Zach6668 513]

That's entirely possible. I haven't played 6-max in nearly a year now, so certainly, the game could have changed a lot over that stretch.

[wrto4556 0]

i dont reraise preflop with ATs from the BB even to TRY and knock out the limper. After the cap I would probably c/r the flop and see what happens there. Too bad no reads, some people will cap some bull...

[antistuff 0]

i dont reraise preflop with ATs from the BB even to TRY and knock out the limper. After the cap I would probably c/r the flop and see what happens there. Too bad no reads, some people will cap some bull...

would you 3 bet this from the button against a loose player?

[wrto4556 0]

depends, but it doesnt sound too bad

[Sheiky 0]

Check/callCheck/callCheck/callI don't think there's much value in any other play, bet/calling anywhere kind of sucks and bet/folding kind of sucks more because no one bet/folds in LHE

[antistuff 0]

if you hit the ten then of course you want to get in as many bets as possible. however, what do you do when you hit an ace here on the turn? how do you not put in too much against a set, get value from jj-kk, and take ak and aq to value town? im thinking bet/3bet and call down from a cap.

[Mattnxtc 0]

My reasoning was to 3bet the sb to try and force out the blind and limper. When he capped the flop I knew I had to hit the flop or it was a c/f. When I hit the 10 I figure I am having to c/c at the minimum and see what he does on the turn. Turn was another blank and he fired again which I think he still does with his entire 4bet range at this limit. I think anything other than c/c at this range is probably poor. Now on the river which was another blank he fired one more time. I c/c, b/c im a showdown monkey though I dont expect to win this often at this point. I think though after reevaluating what yall have said, by the river if he 3 barrels, I cannot be his range and shoudl fold this. I dont think I could fold this on the turn though.

[looshle 6]

check/call, check/call, bet/fold.If a KQJ rolls off on turn I am check calling river.

[bobbywithani 0]

edit: nevermind

[CoranMoran 0]

Funny, I play this hand quite the opposite preflop and postflop.Preflop:I actually fold this preflop more often than not.A Mid-Ace out of position just plays so badly.Sure, we might be ahead a lot of the time here.But our position will cause us to win little when we stay ahead, and lose big when we fall behind.It just doesn't seem worth it.(Though admittedly it's close, as I usually play my AJ.) Postflop:Once I hit a solid piece of this flop, I play it a lot more aggressively.Villaim's preflop cap means very little to me.Because in position, I would cap over a blind 3-bet with almost anything!(since I am convinced this cap is usually good in position even when behind.)We are ahead on the flop very often.I check-raise.I then lead out on the turn.And my strong hand does not get folded in this head's up battle.--CM

[Zach6668 513]

CM, I agree with your logic about capping in position, but it's pretty rare to find people who play like you. At .25/.50, I'd take it for a legit show of strength more often than not. It's not even a real resteal situation because of the limper, so even if he was a thinking player, he'd still need to assume we're quite aggressive to really get out of line to cap with a super wide range, as you're suggesting.

[RabidTortuga 0]

Villian will c-bet this 100% of the time if we let him, and that's where our value is, I think. We can gain some better information about his hand if we c/r the flop. If he 3-bets we are most assuredly behind to anything but 2 big spades. If he calls our flop c/r, we can b/f the turn and c/c the river.