Poker Vt Concern

[hightower87 0]

I registered for Poker VT a couple of months ago mainly to watch Daniels small ball section. While i didn't mind paying the $130 sign up fee my biggest concern was the payments of $30 a month because i was unsure of what id actually be getting for my $30. I searched through this site trying to find as much information as possible until i stumbled across Daniel saying "As for the online videos, those will be easy to add and coaches can do that from home. Expect 2-3 new ones each week from me alone". This gave me the confidence that the money would be well worth it because they would be continuously uploading more and more videos each week.....so i signed upWell i don't have to tell you that Daniel's statement just isn't true.I started off by checking the "what’s new" every day to see if they had uploaded any new content until i noticed the trend of them adding videos just once on the same day every week.This didn't bother me at 1st because i already had heaps of content to get through and they were just starting off but now as i have watched all the content all i have to look forward to is a few short videos each week.Most of these seem to be: Q&A's, Daniels tips, and Daniels hand analysis....with the odd video from an online proAll these short videos seem like they have been recorded a while ago and they are just spacing them out for us over the weeks to trick us into thinking that new material is being updated constantly.Now don't get me wrong as negative as this post is i still love everything about the site i just don't feel we are getting enough new content to warrant a $30 monthly subscription fee.Come on Daniel im dying to see more of your online videos!

[muttern2k 0]

agree

[mrsmallstack 0]

I posted a similar reply weeks ago on the suggestions but no one seemed to agree. Most of the launch material was great, but the new material is posted every Friday. Most of the new material can be gone through in less than an hour, 4-5 hours of material a month does not warrant a $30 monthly fee. In addition, many of the online pros post things very sporadically. If this is all thats going to be posted on the site i seriously will have to consider canceling my subscription.

[Moist Dounut 0]

well let me see I agree and disagree .... I agree that I am very hungry for new content or maybe a cross-over between the pros like Pross Swayne doing some online play back giving examples of his work ...maybe even some of the online pros Even Daniel Him self putting the PATL matrix with his videos too.BUT i do DISAGREE that you are not getting your money's worth These Pros on average give lessons for several hundred dollars a hour ..Like Daniel maybe in the thousands .. I have been through the series of videos also I have also repeated some also that was not to clear at first ... either way I plan on making good on my investment to this program ..YES investment If you can learn a new move or system or just plain reality that pros need luck too to win .. it make life easier at the table when you get a bad beat . IMO.. I am looking forward each week to see Adam junglen and Annette post there videos I even PM Adam for some help and he answered me back quite promptly ...They are all busy ..but they I feel are trying to make it work ...I will ride out the storm so to speak .. and see what comes next ...I also like value for my money At this time I have a Positive EV ..MDFlorida ,USA

[Giggidy 0]

BUT i do DISAGREE that you are not getting your money's worth These Pros on average give lessons for several hundred dollars a hour ..Like Daniel maybe in the thousands ..

Alot of VT's value comes from live and smallball IMOThe problem at the start..and still, for me,....is lower stakes online cash - there hasn't been *anything* posted in about a month afaicr - and imo it wasn't great to begin withI've been holding out for more stuff as that's what i primarily joined up for, but if they hadn't offered the free 2months i'd have left by now tbh :(I'm currently doing a cardrunners 24hr pass just to get some good cash vids - Not something I thought i'd have, or should need to do, if i've paid out this money to be honestIf I had the bankroll i'd be making use of Adam's Tourney stuff as it's fantastic, worth every penny if u could use it - just need to build the BR up more

[Paul Brevard 0]

The greatest point made here is what would you pay for a lesson. If I were to ask Adam to coach me for an hour, what do you think it would cost and what do you think it would be worth? The guy is a genius!If Daniel were to give you only four minutes a month of his time on a poker topic (not golf, lol) what do you think it would cost you and what would it be worth? Would you look at the guy and give him $30 and say thanks? No way! So, do you think it is making you at least $30 a month for the content? Reality is this. If you can't afford $30 a month to recieve a few minutes coaching, you might want to consider giving up poker and PVT. I don't mean to sound sarcastic, I'm just being real. You really have to look at the value you are getting for $30! Please be patient guys. I know they are working on stuff and I get blasted everytime I walk into the casino about "where is the new stuff!". I don't work for these guys but I do believe in them. I do believe though that Daniel is going to have some great new content on soon and the guys have a lot of great ideas brewing. They are only two months old so let's give it a little time before we start blasting them.

[Dai 0]

To be honest, my concern about the lack of new content is growing. I'm not at the point of calling it quits, as Paul said, they are only two months old. I will probably give them a few more months to get it flowing. But it gets a little frustrating that the updates are spaced out so far between and not containing enough of what perhaps the majority find the most interesting: Daniel and the other pros playing online sessions/replaying their online sessions. The Q&A's and Tips can be nice to listen to, but IMO not the stuff that makes you grow as a player. Of course, I guess everybody wants different things. Giddidy wants more lowstakes cashgames, I want more heads up SnG's / cashgames and so on, and it's impossible to satisfy everybody. But it's human nature to want it all and want it know. Paul, of course few if any of us would have the money to pay for private lessons. But that's the point with online lessons, by pooling our resources, we together can make it profitable for the pros even though we only pay $30 each. I think the problem is when expectation doesn't meet reality. With statments like "As for the online videos, those will be easy to add and coaches can do that from home. Expect 2-3 new ones each week from me alone" we get our expectations up, and when this isn't realised some will naturaly react.Please know that this isn't a bashing of PokerVT. So far, my money has definitely been worth it. I just want to give the team and the pros some constructive criticism and hope that in the months to come the site will come closer to it's true potential, which I believe can be great!

[Paul Brevard 0]

To be honest, my concern about the lack of new content is growing. I'm not at the point of calling it quits, as Paul said, they are only two months old. I will probably give them a few more months to get it flowing. But it gets a little frustrating that the updates are spaced out so far between and not containing enough of what perhaps the majority find the most interesting: Daniel and the other pros playing online sessions/replaying their online sessions. The Q&A's and Tips can be nice to listen to, but IMO not the stuff that makes you grow as a player. Of course, I guess everybody wants different things. Giddidy wants more lowstakes cashgames, I want more heads up SnG's / cashgames and so on, and it's impossible to satisfy everybody. But it's human nature to want it all and want it know. Paul, of course few if any of us would have the money to pay for private lessons. But that's the point with online lessons, by pooling our resources, we together can make it profitable for the pros even though we only pay $30 each. I think the problem is when expectation doesn't meet reality. With statments like "As for the online videos, those will be easy to add and coaches can do that from home. Expect 2-3 new ones each week from me alone" we get our expectations up, and when this isn't realised some will naturaly react.Please know that this isn't a bashing of PokerVT. So far, my money has definitely been worth it. I just want to give the team and the pros some constructive criticism and hope that in the months to come the site will come closer to it's true potential, which I believe can be great!

I hear ya bro. I know it's a little frustrating but everything will be worth it. Trust me. I just learned to love sng's myself. I haven't played many before Vegas but I am lucky to be 3-5. I have friend that is the best at the sng's. He taught me a couple of things about them and they have paid off. I may not be able to help you but I could get some advice from him that might help a little until the guys get around to them. Are you having any particular problem?BTW, Giddidy, are you not having much luck with SB on low stakes cash games? I am coaching a WILDMAN that SB has really improved his 2-5 game. He was consistantly losing and he called the other night in New Orleans and I talked him down a little and he left with $2500 more than the $500 buy in and is doing pretty well ever since. I keep telling him that it's all about patience and discipline. The videos with Alex and Paul are small stakes and are pretty good. One more thing I am telling him, and you may not be a position to do this at you're casino, but I told him to check out the tables before he enters one. You can find tells and patterns way before you jump in and it doesn't cost you a thing. Watch them for a little while and see if you can tell where you will fit in the best. I know you can't do that on really busy nights but on some nights you have to put pride aside and go home. I hope that no one feels I am being too pretentious, but if I can do anything at all to help anyone out. Please post on my 2 weeks 10 Wins topic or message me and I'll do my best.Hang in there guys. It's going to be worth it!

[JubilantLankyLad 1,957]

I hear ya bro. I know it's a little frustrating but everything will be worth it. Trust me. .....Hang in there guys. It's going to be worth it!

You are quite the cheerleader.

[Metasploit 0]

There is plenty of content....plentyI signed up in early July and I still have a bunch of videos to watch (mostly from the online pros section)How long did it take you to watch all 19 sections of adams sunday million win?you have watched everything? wow..must have lots of free time on your hands

[hightower87 0]

There is plenty of content....plentyI signed up in early July and I still have a bunch of videos to watch (mostly from the online pros section)How long did it take you to watch all 19 sections of adams sunday million win?you have watched everything? wow..must have lots of free time on your hands

I am a uni student....so yes lots of free time lol....btw im not saying their isn't much on there....there is hrs and hrs and hrs....but most of which was on there for the launch with very little new content been added.Just to clarify my original post:*Im not saying that im unhappy with the pokervt product...i love it and have been raving about how great it is to my friends*Im far from cancelling my monthly subscription*I understand that it is only new and the guys have been busy with the WSOP*I think all the pros videos are great and loved watching all of themAll i am saying is that i am starting to get more and more concerned that the amount of new weekly content we were promised originally will never be reachedI learnt so much in the 1st few weeks watching daniels online videos and have been waiting eagerly for some more to be uploaded....i.e the adam vs daniel heads up on pokerstars...im sure their are many others hanging out for them to do this again.

[texan_driver 0]

I agree with most everything being said.First, Poker VT has been outstanding and truly helped my game. Well worth the initial sign-up fee. Outstanding content so far. I AM CONTINUING MY SUBSCRIPTION, in case anybody is wondering. I would recommend it to anybody.I also agree that in terms of the material that I've found to be most beneficial, (small ball, watching Daniel play/commentate online), there has been little new stuff on there. I would love to see more videos of Daniel playing and analyzing his play. That has been the most beneficial to my game I've felt. If people feel that the new material being posted on the site is not truly helping them, then they have a right to voice their concern. Didn't the people at Poker VT themselves tell us to make suggestions on these forums to improve the sight? That is all that we are doing. If it isn't helping their game at all or not what they are looking for, then they should cancel their subcription. That will send the message that we will continuously demand a superior product. If you're not happy with the product you're receiving, then paying $30 a month might not be the best investment. If there's nothing new that you want to hear on there, then you are just throwing $30 a month away. I understand the pro's and Daniel would charge siginificantly more than that for private lessons. But these aren't private lessons. These are online videos. There is a difference.Paul, no offense but you seem to have some blinders up a little bit. All people are doing are voicing their concerns and desiring a better product. They paid their money and want to see a continuous return. Demanding a high quality product makes the sight a better sight. It doesn't mean that we are disloyal or dislike them. The tone of your comments made it seem you like you were almost personally offended that people were wanting more. Personally, I will continue to demand a high quality product, and if I don't receive one, then I will consider cancelling.Paul, by the way, I'm not personally attacking you. You seem like a very nice guy and a great person. Just trying to bring up a different point of view.

[Paul Brevard 0]

Sorry bro, I hope I didn't offend anyone but this is my main concern. You all sound like a bunch of great guys so please don't get offended by my remarks. I don't think that the OP meant for this to happen but topics like this are just a little thing that starts building a cancer to bring down a good thing like PVT. It may not seem like it but this thread, along with the "I'm leaving PVT" thread just before it, can start destroying PVT. I really think that the OP should have put it on the Suggestion topic. The OP is no where near being like the other OP that said he was leaving. He sounds like a really nice guy that is just trying to get what he wants immediately. These are a couple of post that I feel he was way overboard in saying. Please understand that I am not attacking. I just don't want topics like this to start the end of a good thing. "Well i don't have to tell you that Daniel's statement just isn't true." - He has been updating the Q&A directly from this site. The answer to the how to Manage your Bankroll was great. Look at this site and the questions asked and then look at how many he has added since. "All these short videos seem like they have been recorded a while ago and they are just spacing them out for us over the weeks to trick us into thinking that new material is being updated constantly." - Like I said, he has answer questions directly from this site so how could the guys be tricking us with old material?Here is my response to a few things that you said that I would like to answer. "I would love to see more videos of Daniel playing and analyzing his play." - I want to add a few things that others have said on this topic alone that they want and are upset they haven't seen it yet. "I agree that I am very hungry for new content or maybe a cross-over between the pros like Pross Swayne doing some online play back giving examples of his work ...maybe even some of the online pros Even Daniel Him self putting the PATL matrix with his videos too.""The problem at the start..and still, for me,....is lower stakes online cash - there hasn't been *anything* posted in about a month afaicr - and imo it wasn't great to begin with""I want more heads up SnG's / cashgames and so on"I have also had people ask me to ask the guys to add:Small Tournament playLimit Holdem (Big TIME)OmahaHORSEWould they put a bad beat section in (THAT ONE REALLY FLOORED ME because when I was in Vegas next to Daniel, I had two guys in the same room ask me to introduce them to Daniel to tell him their bad beat and find out if they played it right. They both let me talk to them instead and Daniel owes me at least three hours of my life back so he could take a break after his signing session! LOL)A tells section1-22-5and several that I have forgotten!How long do you think it would take to do all of this? IT WOULD TAKE YEARS TO DO IT RIGHT!Guys, I don't work for PVT and they don't give me a single penny so I DON'T HAVE AN IN TO GET THESE THINGS ONLINE! Sorry, but I'm just a peon like you. I just was extremely blessed to get to meet the guy and do a segment with him. As a matter of fact, I think I am doing more harm than good and should really distance myself from them for their own good and mine. I am just a newbie that has been able to digest the content really well. I am just not as good as the OP to take it ALL in and ask for more NOW!Dai gave the best answer to this when he himself that that it would be impossible to satisfy everyone. My question is this. How long do you feel it would take to answer just these demands? It can't be done in two months! Please understand that I am in no way associated or endorsed by PVT. I have no say in anything that they do. I have just made a lot of money and won a lot of tournaments using the sites methods. I see at least one final table every week now and things are fantastic in the tournament world for me. In two months I have been to 13 final tables. It's been great but I am in no way as good as the intructors on PVT so please don't take everything I say as though it comes from PVT. Doing the vlog on Rawvegas with Daniel was GREAT! I just want everyone to know that I don't have any say with their plans. Again, I don't think anyone that posted here are wanting the site to die but I hope they understand that suggestions are great but, calling guys liars and tricksters can kill the site.

[Giggidy 0]

BTW, Giddidy, are you not having much luck with SB on low stakes cash games? I am coaching a WILDMAN that SB has really improved his 2-5 game. He was consistantly losing and he called the other night in New Orleans and I talked him down a little and he left with $2500 more than the $500 buy in and is doing pretty well ever since. I keep telling him that it's all about patience and discipline. The videos with Alex and Paul are small stakes and are pretty good.One more thing I am telling him, and you may not be a position to do this at you're casino, but I told him to check out the tables before he enters one. You can find tells and patterns way before you jump in and it doesn't cost you a thing. Watch them for a little while and see if you can tell where you will fit in the best. I know you can't do that on really busy nights but on some nights you have to put pride aside and go home.

I think it's harder to play small ball online mate (which is where I play at the mo), the game's alot different to the more passive live games, it's far more agressive and stacks aren't as deep.I totally agree that game selection makes a massive difference

[Paul Brevard 0]

I think it's harder to play small ball online mate (which is where I play at the mo), the game's alot different to the more passive live games, it's far more agressive and stacks aren't as deep.I totally agree that game selection makes a massive difference

Giggidy, you're probably right about the online stuff. I've had a tiny bit of luck on the tourney's lately but I don't play online very much at all. I may need to pick your brain about online play and I'll coach you about the poker room. Deal?GL!

[looshle 6]

Paul I understand that PokerVT has helped you out a lot and you how big a fan you are of Daniel's but you can't just blindly support things in life. Cardrunners and PokerXFactor have new content every day. The $30 is not the point, the point is that there is a monthly free, which after a while will be only be based almost exclusively on the new material. If there are not going to be updates as they were advertised or anywhere near other leading poker training sites, PokerVT is going to lose a lot of business.Consumers need to demand they get what they pay for and not just trust that they won't be taken advantage of. I am not saying that is what is happening here, I'm just saying it's good practice to demand that you get your money's worth or what you were advertised or else you are going to be walked over for the rest of your life.

[whatgreatis 0]

Lack of content is one reason while I'll likely be taking my online training else where. I do feel obligated to support DN since I spend so much time on his website but if he can't make a product thats at least as good as the competition he doesn't get my business.

[BoostedJ 0]

Guys, not to worry....I will be updating a lot more from now on as I've finally had time available. Expect new Boosted J content coming very soon.

[Paul Brevard 0]

Paul I understand that PokerVT has helped you out a lot and you how big a fan you are of Daniel's but you can't just blindly support things in life. Cardrunners and PokerXFactor have new content every day. The $30 is not the point, the point is that there is a monthly free, which after a while will be only be based almost exclusively on the new material. If there are not going to be updates as they were advertised or anywhere near other leading poker training sites, PokerVT is going to lose a lot of business.Consumers need to demand they get what they pay for and not just trust that they won't be taken advantage of. I am not saying that is what is happening here, I'm just saying it's good practice to demand that you get your money's worth or what you were advertised or else you are going to be walked over for the rest of your life.

Looshie,I believe you know how much I respect you, and I don't think I am going in blind here. If I felt that they were behind on content, I would complain. I just can't see how someone can master everything on the site in 2 months. To me it just sounds like everyone is asking for new videos on THEIR area of interest and they want it now or else. Again, what I am concerned with is that people are not giving it a chance and are starting a cancer that doesn't need to be spread yet. What was cardunners startup like. If I am wrong please correct me, but didn't they have a tough time because of the no name coaches, and the scandal with Action Jeff? Again, please correct me if I am wrong.I don't know about PokerXFactor, but I will check them out.As far as being blinded by being a fan, I know I come off that way but I am more of a fan of the content and the things it has done for my play. Understand where I come from. I was in a final table maybe once every other month. Now I am in one a week and it truly is because of the site. You can ask anyone that knows me. I am not easily star struck. I have been in the entertainment business for almost 20 years and met and sang with just about anyone you can imagine in the country music and Christian music industry (no laughs guys) and I have been a politician. I've met Presidents, had meeting with Senators and Billionaires. It all comes down to one thing. People are people. No more and no less. I don't hold one man above another. My father never graduated the 9th grade and I feel he's smarter than anyone in Congress! They are all falable. I only feel that we need to give them a little more time before we start the "I'm out of here!" outcry. If they are fooling me, I will be the first to stand up against them. I just can't see that PVT can have all the content of the other sites in two months.Looshie, what do you recommend that they do to satisfy everyone?Thanks for your response man. You're A-number one in my book and I truly respect you and your remarks. As for me, I think I need to lay off for a while and let the real PVT guys take over with the responses. I know that I am probably the guy having the most success with the site, but I am just coming off as a fanatic instead of a true spokesperson for the site. Sorry about that guys. I'll lay off of the other areas and just stick to my "Wins" thread.

[Paul Brevard 0]

Paul I understand that PokerVT has helped you out a lot and you how big a fan you are of Daniel's but you can't just blindly support things in life. Cardrunners and PokerXFactor have new content every day. The $30 is not the point, the point is that there is a monthly free, which after a while will be only be based almost exclusively on the new material. If there are not going to be updates as they were advertised or anywhere near other leading poker training sites, PokerVT is going to lose a lot of business.Consumers need to demand they get what they pay for and not just trust that they won't be taken advantage of. I am not saying that is what is happening here, I'm just saying it's good practice to demand that you get your money's worth or what you were advertised or else you are going to be walked over for the rest of your life.

Looshie,I believe you know how much I respect you, and I don't think I am going in blind here. If I felt that they were behind on content, I would complain. I just can't see how someone can master everything on the site in 2 months. To me it just sounds like everyone is asking for new videos on THEIR area of interest and they want it now or else. Again, what I am concerned with is that people are not giving it a chance and are starting a cancer that doesn't need to be spread yet. What was cardunners startup like. If I am wrong please correct me, but didn't they have a tough time because of the no name coaches, and the scandal with Action Jeff? Again, please correct me if I am wrong.I don't know about PokerXFactor, but I will check them out.As far as being blinded by being a fan, I know I come off that way but I am more of a fan of the content and the things it has done for my play. Understand where I come from. I was in a final table maybe once every other month. Now I am in one a week and it truly is because of the site. You can ask anyone that knows me. I am not easily star struck. I have been in the entertainment business for almost 20 years and met and sang with just about anyone you can imagine in the country music and Christian music industry (no laughs guys) and I have been a politician. I've met Presidents, had meeting with Senators and Billionaires. It all comes down to one thing. People are people. No more and no less. I don't hold one man above another. My father never graduated the 9th grade and I feel he's smarter than anyone in Congress! They are all falable. I only feel that we need to give them a little more time before we start the "I'm out of here!" outcry. If they are fooling me, I will be the first to stand up against them. I just can't see that PVT can have all the content of the other sites in two months.Looshie, what do you recommend that they do to satisfy everyone?Thanks for your response man. You're A-number one in my book and I truly respect you and your remarks. As for me, I think I need to lay off for a while and let the real PVT guys take over with the responses. I know that I am probably the guy having the most success with the site, but I am just coming off as a fanatic instead of a true spokesperson for the site. Sorry about that guys. I'll lay off of the other areas and just stick to my "Wins" thread.

[Giggidy 0]

Giggidy, you're probably right about the online stuff. I've had a tiny bit of luck on the tourney's lately but I don't play online very much at all. I may need to pick your brain about online play and I'll coach you about the poker room. Deal?GL!

Yeh I don't mind chatting strat anytime - worth bearing in mind that i'm only playing at micro stakes at the moment tho, which i'm guessin a bit below what you plan on playin?

[Dai 0]

This topic has been quiet for a while, but I feel that the original concerns that were raised are still valid. I have decided to cancel my membership to PokerVT, at least for a couple of months. I attach the feedback that I sent to the PokerVT team in the cancel process below. The reason that I post it here as well is because it might influence the PokerVT team and the pros more strongly if other people agree with my concerns, and hence create stronger incentive to make the necessary changes."I feel that there is way too much focus on "talk stuff", such as hints, tips, Q&A:s, etc. and way too little focus on online play. Also, I think only one update each week is too little, especially since many of the updates mainly contain tips, Q&A:s etc.A review of the PokerVT pros: Adam: He is great and very busy shooting online material that I find most helpful in my game. Daniel: It was very disapointing to realize that the online material that he shot in the beginning would not be a reoccuring thing. I want to see him play, not talk!! JC Alverado: I like his videos but he updates way too seldom. Anette: Updates way too seldom. Paul: Updates way to seldom and never shoots online play. Boosted J: To be honest, I can't stand his videos. They are really boring since they contain way too much silence.I will probably check back within the 3 months period (no new signup fee if I reactivate my account within 3 months, right?) and see if things have gotten better. The above critisism have been mouthed by other people on the forum as well for quite some time, so I hope you make the necessary adjustments. Cheers!"