All Sorts Of Possibilities

[gobears 0]

I've been 3-betting quite a bit from the blinds at this table and decided to call here. Villain is 11/9/4 over 3K hands and knows that I will check/raise a draw or a monster. His re-raise on the flop means that he has a big hand which could include overpairs or a big draw. What do we think of the call on the flop? What do we do on the turn, do we bet the scare card that filled both the straight and flush draws?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)BB ($360)UTG ($202.90)UTG+1 ($206.90)MP1 ($309)MP2 ($314.05)CO ($442.40)Button ($399.80)Hero ($443)Preflop: Hero is SB with , . 4 folds, CO raises to $12, 1 fold, Hero calls $10, 1 fold.Flop: ($28) , , (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $20, Hero raises to $66, CO raises to $140, Hero calls $74.Turn: ($308) (2 players)Hero ?,

[NoBBiR 0]

Personally I think you either have to shove or fold the flop after he reraises you. I think folding is probably better in that situation since he is repping a huge hand and it is a flushy board, so even if you get there, it might end up not being good.Against an 11/9/4, I'd basically c/f this all the time.

[Moneyball16 0]

Whos villain?

[gobears 0]

Whos villain?

MightyScrot

[bigcoled 1]

I've been 3-betting quite a bit from the blinds at this table and decided to call here. Villain is 11/9/4 over 3K hands and knows that I will check/raise a draw or a monster. His re-raise on the flop means that he has a big hand which could include overpairs or a big draw. What do we think of the call on the flop? What do we do on the turn, do we bet the scare card that filled both the straight and flush draws?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)BB ($360)UTG ($202.90)UTG+1 ($206.90)MP1 ($309)MP2 ($314.05)CO ($442.40)Button ($399.80)Hero ($443)Preflop: Hero is SB with , . 4 folds, CO raises to $12, 1 fold, Hero calls $10, 1 fold.Flop: ($28) , , (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $20, Hero raises to $66, CO raises to $140, Hero calls $74.Turn: ($308) (2 players)Hero ?,

I guess I may not be understanding your line from beginning to end here... Seems pretty loose, especially out of position preflop, on the flop you are putting in a raise and calling a reraise... To me this is a mistake for a few reasons, first I would say we are raising to take down the pot, or if he 3 bets, we were raising for information and should fold... Our draw is unplayable on this board, we're drawing to the sucker end, of a possibly made hand, and our draw has even less value with a possible flush draw out... All opportunities to make a play to take this pot have been lost as we have allowed the pot to grow too large... Given the situation and the texture of the flop, if we are playing to not give up on the hand and only to win, I believe the correct line would be to call the flop and see his action on the turn, if he checks he is probably weak, if he bets our line now depends on what comes. by calling the flop we have created a smaller pot, and thus making his turn bet smaller and allowing ourselves a greater range of moves with fewer drawing odds for our opponent if their hand isn't made. If our draw were to come in on either side of the straight, we are reserved to only calling down and praying for a river check, if our hand doesn't come, but a spade comes we are then faced with a few options... We could lead out for abour 3/4 of the pot, or check raise to represent the hand, or smooth call to make a river play. Our opponents preception of us is very important in deciding this play, with the main question to start your thought process being, "Is my opponent a thinking player?" Thinking in sheer numbers, leading out and folding to raise is the cheapest option, but my look the most like a "play" and the quality of our opponent will decide if this play is appropriate or not. Check raising can be a more effective bet, but once again, costs a bit more, and we would be forced to fold to a 3 bet.. Smooth calling to make a play on the river, this is tough, but may show the most strength for your hand given you haven't been caught making plays in a high frequency. With the smooth call this is the only guarantee to see the river, where we will once again be faced with this line of questions, but leading out the river being the only reliable move to give you a chance to take the pot without showdown.All in all, I believe your line from the start was very weak, and you are picking the wrong board to be making a play on, which relates to the most important point, it seems you were playing your hand for the sheer strength of your draw, you need to understand when your hands draw is reliable, or when you need to turn your hand into a bluff and look to take away the pot from a better hand if you feel your opponent is weak and the board is worth making a play at. Need to understand where you are at in the hand given the board texture, and the plays that give you the best chance of taking the pot with the least risk.

[IAGTTAYM 0]

I think it's a clear fold after villain 3-bets the flop.

[mtdesmoines 3]

I think that turn leaves you no where to go but the muck against a player who may just be sick of your aggression or may be sitting on a monster.

[gobears 0]

Probably too much FPS on my part but this is tuesday morning quarterbacking as I felt that there was a line where I should have won this hand especially since I felt that villain was a thinking player.On the turn, I bet out $200 which pot committed me and villain shipped it in with 88 (no spade). My OESD outs were actually still alive (4 for the win, 9 for the chop) but River was the As so I whiffed - too bad one of my cards wasn't a spade. In hindsight, I could have also just called villain's flop bet which makes the pot smaller but I like to raise with draws.I probably should have created the HH from villain's point of view and see what everyone would do on that turn after I lead $200 into it.

[Sheiky 0]

Fold pre???I think it's a pretty clear fold to the flop 3-bet as well

[fckthis 0]

hate the call pf. this is -ev. I wouldnt even 3 bet this, and I have a wide 3 betting range.