Avaron 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 just happened in monte carlo:-Hachem SnapsAmongst some incredible commotion on the tournament floor, Joe Hachem has just lost a monster pot and almost became involved in a physical confrontation with T6 Poker player Woody Deck!We caught the action in the hand on the river with the board reading {A-Diamonds}{6-Hearts}{J-Diamonds}{A-Spades}{3-Hearts} and Hachem with an 80,000-chip bet into opponent Peter Traply. Traply thought for a few moments before making the call, showing {A-Hearts}{10-Clubs} which was good to collect the pot worth over 200,000 chips. Hachem calmly tapped the table, saying "Nice call" as he proceeded to muck his hand.That's when the real action started. Woody Deck, who was not involved in the hand, then asked to see Hachem's cards. Hachem replied that he didn't have to show since the winning hand had already been shown, and the dealer proceeded to muck his cards.Deck then said to Hachem something along the lines of, "Are you trying to angle shoot or something? Don't be an *******!"Hachem, who at this stage was standing up to walk away from the table, then turned and in an incredible outburst, leaned across the table over Deck with a barrage of intimidating replies!Hachem appeared set to physically take Deck apart before Antonio Esfandiari lept up from a nearby table and held Hachem back. By this stage security had stepped between Hachem and the table until things calmed down. Hachem then took a walk outside to cool off as the crowd frenzy settled down and play returned to some normality.-i have to admit hat i fully understand joe's reaction in this spot...what do you say about behaving like this Deck guy at the table? Link to post Share on other sites
Jeepster80125 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 ok. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 I have had the same reaction as Joe, when I am playing with amateurs...You lose a big hand and they ask to see your hand...Its bad etiquette unfortunately its in the rules...Its tough to explain to new players why you shouldnt be doing it, especially to a well respected world champion, after he lost a big hand. Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 TTIWWV(ideo)F(ootage) Link to post Share on other sites
Jrobb25 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Joe is right to be pissed. That's just dickish to act like that. I wish he would've punched him. We need someone to step up and hit these donks..he can set up future ass kickings like moneymaker did for poker. Link to post Share on other sites
kafkapoe 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 There is etiquette and then there are rules. Etiquette says you let him muck. But since Traply called Joe should have to show his cards first.Also, anyone at the table in a tournament can ask to see anyones hand where it is played to completion. This Woody guy probably wanted to see how Hachem was playing and use it against him later (lots of money on the line here) on or put him on tilt which he clearly succeeded in doing.Etiquette...no AVRules... +AV Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 There is etiquette and then there are rules. Etiquette says you let him muck. But since Traply called Joe should have to show his cards first.Also, anyone at the table in a tornament can ask to see anyones hand where it is played to completion. This Woody guy probably wanted to see how Hachem was playing and use it against him later on or put him on tilt which he clearly succeeded in doing.Etiquette...no AVRules... +AVyou are correct but the rule is in place to avoid collusion, not to learn from someones play...I agree with you 100% but there isnt much that can be done. Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 There is etiquette and then there are rules. Etiquette says you let him muck. But since Traply called Joe should have to show his cards first.Also, anyone at the table in a tournament can ask to see anyones hand where it is played to completion. This Woody guy probably wanted to see how Hachem was playing and use it against him later (lots of money on the line here) on or put him on tilt which he clearly succeeded in doing.Etiquette...no AVRules... +AVWhat is AV?Mark Link to post Share on other sites
kafkapoe 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 AV = Actual ValueIt is my new poker theory I have been using. Link to post Share on other sites
ThePhoenix88 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Woody Deck: Link to post Share on other sites
pt special 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 i had something similar happen to mei was playin at the rio during the series and made a big river call vs some guy and he showed a backdoored flush and i mucked my hand.......without saying anything he reached into the muck and flipped my cards over and then looked at me and gave me a fist pump.this caused me to flip out and get into a huge agruement with the guy, the floor was called and i had to calm down and they gave the guy a warningaslo, i heard that as nice as hachem comes off on tv, i hear hes kind of a jerk at the table and whines a ton Link to post Share on other sites
cardcore 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 aslo, i heard that as nice as hachem comes off on tv, i hear hes kind of a jerk at the table and whines a tonhachem is very nice irl although he has a bit of an ego Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Dude flat out called JH a cheater. Not because he asked to see the cards, but he even asked if Joe was shooting an angle. Link to post Share on other sites
Potsie P 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 I could have believed this story (TV Hachem vs. Real Hachem), but then I read Antonio Esfandiari stepped in to break things up.BULLSHIT... Link to post Share on other sites
SilentButDeadly3 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Where the fck is RAB for this? His brag is that Hachem bought him drinks in Calgary.Oh yeah, RAB works now......lame Link to post Share on other sites
Gallo 1 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Where the fck is RAB for this? His brag is that Hachem bought him drinks in Calgary.Oh yeah, RAB works now......lameYeah, I heard he was the guy that puts up those vending machines filled with condoms and oils in the men's bathrooms. IDK, thats what I heard, but you didn't hear that from me. Link to post Share on other sites
Kaveros 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Does anyone have a link to the actual story? Link to post Share on other sites
mx957 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Oops wrong thread...nevermind. Link to post Share on other sites
Vick12 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Oops wrong thread...nevermind. Link to post Share on other sites
TB17 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 I could have believed this story (TV Hachem vs. Real Hachem), but then I read Antonio Esfandiari stepped in to break things up.Yea he woulda just sat there and said "This is so sick" "I love Monte Carlo/Poker" x 312423425 Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 hachem is very nice irl although he has a bit of an egoreally? he is clearly a very very good poker player but I find he gets way too upset about bad beats and berates people about their play.he also whines about his luck way too much considering he won the main event.great player for sure though. he always seems to be getting his money in good when I see him play. Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 really? he is clearly a very very good poker player but I find he gets way too upset about bad beats and berates people about their play.he also whines about his luck way too much considering he won the main event.great player for sure though. he always seems to be getting his money in good when I see him play.QFT all three thoughts Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 really? he is clearly a very very good poker player but I find he gets way too upset about bad beats and berates people about their play.he also whines about his luck way too much considering he won the main event.great player for sure though. he always seems to be getting his money in good when I see him play.Yeah, a big QFT here Link to post Share on other sites
Kaveros 0 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Hachem as said in public that his own worst enemy is his temper and that he has real troubles keeping it at a reasonable level. Link to post Share on other sites
RDog 0 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 he also whines about his luck way too much considering he won the main event.This. Link to post Share on other sites
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