Jujoki3 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Just got to table so no real reads. but is this a shove or fold? What do u guys think? I don't want to say anything because it might influence some of the answers. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)MP1 ($72.65)Hero ($98.50)MP3 ($41.85)CO ($107.60)Button ($98.50)SB ($100)BB ($305.90)UTG ($117.80)UTG+1 ($118.85)Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, A. UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, 3 folds, SB calls $4.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $4.Flop: ($16) 2, J, Q(3 players)SB bets $8, UTG calls $8, Hero calls $8.Turn: ($40) 8(3 players)UTG bets $31. Hero ??? Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 It looks like the converter ate the small blind's action. It's a check? Link to post Share on other sites
rainbowbrite 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I think this is a tough spot. I mean you defined your hand pre flop pretty well 5bb raise and took 2 guys with you to the flop anyway. Im assuming the sb checked as well? i guess 9 10 of spades is possible. qq jj. I think your opening statment is right though. Either fold or shove, but I think the only thing that you can beat is aq or kk, I dont like the sb checking either, he could easily have 9 10 here imo. You only have 13 invested so far, and even if you flat call he is shoving the river 90% of the time, and your squeezed. So the small blind may be shoving now behind you. I think I fold here personally Link to post Share on other sites
shinzilla 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Why aren't we raising this flop? Link to post Share on other sites
SmileNTilt 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Why aren't we raising this flop?Agreed. 2 big draws out there and you are letting them dictate the action. As played, tough spot ... I probably fold. Link to post Share on other sites
mikeysong 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 if blind checked and utg now bets out, i muck my hand here.raising the flop is good Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 i will reiterate. how can you not raise this flop like every single time? Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I go broke here. We have an ace and another ace, right? I go broke here. Link to post Share on other sites
ROBBBIGG 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I think this is a tough spot. I mean you defined your hand pre flop pretty well 5bb raise and took 2 guys with you to the flop anyway. Im assuming the sb checked as well? i guess 9 10 of spades is possible. qq jj. I think your opening statment is right though. Either fold or shove, but I think the only thing that you can beat is aq or kk, I dont like the sb checking either, he could easily have 9 10 here imo. You only have 13 invested so far, and even if you flat call he is shoving the river 90% of the time, and your squeezed. So the small blind may be shoving now behind you. I think I fold here personallyIs this a joke? Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Raise the flop please. PLEASE. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 weaktightplaymakesbabyjesuscry Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 weaktightplaymakesbabyjesuscryLOLUnexpected from you. Link to post Share on other sites
rainbowbrite 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 if your not re raising the flop and bigyes i foldwhat do you disagre with in my post? I think this is an easy fold after the poor flop play. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 what do you disagre with in my post?The fact that you seem to basically always put your opponents on the absolute nuts when they bet. Link to post Share on other sites
rainbowbrite 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 ok. I guess I do seem to do that to often on here Acid. Im really not tight at all.Also once im in a bad spot I dont have a problem folding with only 15 of my money in the pot. I think that you reraise the flop 100% of the time here. Its not that I am always giving people credit for the nuts, its that most of my play is live, and a great deal of it is read dependent. After you screw up the flop on this hand, I think its time to get away from it here. But after looking over some of my posts, i do see how you could make that statment. Also with no knowlege of said players, and with the flop play, I can let this go. Link to post Share on other sites
pt special 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Why aren't we raising this flop?also...lol and your thought process, if what your typing is your thought process is horriblehes easily shoving hand that you are very far ahead of, your hand is so disgused and the board is so draw heavy that theres no way you can ever fold this turn....ever Link to post Share on other sites
rainbowbrite 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 never folding this turn is horrible Link to post Share on other sites
pt special 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 never folding this turn is horribleyou played the flop so poor that hes going to be thinking a Q here is going to be good most of the timehis shoving range is so wide its sick...it includes T9 but it also include other draws and KQ QJ QTmy suggestion, get cardrunners and watch some videos Link to post Share on other sites
rainbowbrite 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Im not sure who youur talking to here.I didnt play the flop at allI never don't re raise the flop Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I never don't re raise the flopdoubelnegativesmakeithardtounderstandwhatyou'resaying.evenharderthanwhenidomy"typingwithoutspaces"thing.try"Ialwaysreraisetheflop"nexttime Link to post Share on other sites
pt special 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Im not sure who youur talking to here.I didnt play the flop at allI never don't re raise the flopohh, i thought u played this hand.....you have to raise the flop, as for the turn, its a super draw heavy board and only 1 draw gets thereif he has q8 or t9 so be it...your getting better the 2:1 and ur def good 1/3 time here Link to post Share on other sites
rainbowbrite 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 oksorrymytypingandgrammerisverybad Link to post Share on other sites
sactownjoey 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 also...lol and your thought process, if what your typing is your thought process is horriblehes easily shoving hand that you are very far ahead of, your hand is so disgused and the board is so draw heavy that theres no way you can ever fold this turn....everI agree with this. The flat call on the flop of a 1/2 pot bet does not say "overpair." It says, "I'd love to see another card as cheap as possible, please." Link to post Share on other sites
rainbowbrite 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I just worry aboout the sb check here. your still 3 way at this point, thats the only reason I feel like I could get away from this hand. Again though I think you have to reraise the flop.ps Do u go to uwl? I lived in la crosse on 10th one summer Link to post Share on other sites
pt special 0 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 wow somehow i misread the hand history...i thought it said 31 and is allin when i skimmed itmakes the hand a little more interestingnow i can see a fold here more often, this hand just turned from an easy call from the way you played the flop to fold majority of the time because of the way you played the flop. you cant give up a free card so if your going to play the hand your gonna have to shove...blahhh this is a really weird spotyou butchered this hand on the flop and it makes it so hard to playif you dont have any reads i think i might fold.....but thats so weak Link to post Share on other sites
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