Andy Mcleod, Online Superstar, Underage

[Jordan 1]

let the kid play.

[HijackedAffairs 0]

FOR GODS SAKE IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PARENTS!!!! Anyone has 11 million ways to get money onto a poker site and play it under soemone elses name and everything. It's on the parents to protect their children. Not the government. Not the poker sites. The ****ing parents!

Doesn't matter who's actual responsibility it is, all that matters is the poker sites must look like they are strong in fighting it. For sake of image which is extremely important for poker sites.

[TB17 0]

I really think it depends on the persn. I know for me I am very glad I started underage. I have grown so much not only as a player but as a person. I think poker has positively influenced me in life in general pretty immensely. I think I have a much better unserstading of life or whatever because of it. Also, starting early has helped me so much as a player too. Ya I went broke a few times bcause of my immaturity and bad br management but I feel like it is great that I learned these important poker and life skills so early. I dont think waiting until I was of age would have made me tilt less or whatever. Ya u can argue andys tilty hu session versus imp and others was because he was young and immature but in reality a lot of the younger players I know are more mature than the elders..Just my 2 cents on the age issue..obviously my opinion is swayed because I played underage but I really seeway morepositives than negatives to start em off young!!!

ban your scamming ass.

[Sheiky 0]

"He's just a kid with a dream" - Norman Chad

[Cappy37 0]

Understandable. Just make sure you catch the big 5:1. Armed Robbery2. Kidnapping3. Murder4. Rape5. Online Poker

And god forbid they start paying their taxes buying weed, and inadvertantly supporting terrorism.

[Cappy37 0]

The poker sites don't care as long as they have some kind of plausible deniability AND they get their rake.

This really should be PS's and FT's official statement on the matter.It won't be, but it should be.

[PMJackson21 0]

I 100% agree with this Pat. It's one thing for everyone to be ethical, it's another thing for everyone to be a bunch of pussies. I wish some of these guys had to play back in the 70s and shit. It's poker man suck it up, no friends at the table. Where does Sorel speak up? I can't seem to find it.

This coming from the guy that 3-bet me dark (ME of all people?!>?/!>?) in a Venetian tournament*, so I can def vouch for Justin's stance on this...after all the chicken nuggets and chocolate milkshakes I picked up for him at McD's... :)Link to Imp's post: http://www.pocketfives.com/BD836AF0-F439-4...93FE47F071.aspx* I also hadn't looked at my cards, but he didn't know that. Prob about as badly as I've been owned live. (other then Freddy Deeb, Tex Barch, and Daniel Elizando)

[GrinderMJ 0]

I have not read this thread, few things though:1. This is in no way unethical, and anybody who reports him is a huge bitch.2. Everybody already knew this.3. There's no possible way the accounts aren't under his parents names who can easily send in ID to stars which means Andy Mcleod will continue to play on every major site.

[TB17 0]

I have not read this thread, few things though:1. This is in no way unethical, and anybody who reports him is a huge bitch.2. Everybody already knew this.3. There's no possible way the accounts aren't under his parents names who can easily send in ID to stars which means Andy Mcleod will continue to play on every major site.

cheater, i'm gonna report you too

[GrinderMJ 0]

cheater, i'm gonna report you too

Oh noes.

[SilentButDeadly3 0]

I really think it depends on the persn. I know for me I am very glad I started underage. I have grown so much not only as a player but as a person. I think poker has positively influenced me in life in general pretty immensely. I think I have a much better unserstading of life or whatever because of it. Also, starting early has helped me so much as a player too. Ya I went broke a few times bcause of my immaturity and bad br management but I feel like it is great that I learned these important poker and life skills so early. I dont think waiting until I was of age would have made me tilt less or whatever. Ya u can argue andys tilty hu session versus imp and others was because he was young and immature but in reality a lot of the younger players I know are more mature than the elders..Just my 2 cents on the age issue..obviously my opinion is swayed because I played underage but I really seeway morepositives than negatives to start em off young!!!

QFTI think starting underage made me mature faster and realize how my actions can have such big consequences.

[psufans2 1]

I have not read this thread, few things though:1. This is in no way unethical, and anybody who reports him is a huge bitch.2. Everybody already knew this.3. There's no possible way the accounts aren't under his parents names who can easily send in ID to stars which means Andy Mcleod will continue to play on every major site.

ding ding we have a winner. seriously though the underage thing is not a big deal to me as well i have no problem with it but like has been said i started at 15 as well so once again biased response. grinder is 100% correct though his name is in his rents names no doubt so he is in no worry whatsoever anyways. i mean my names on the sites are still in my dads name.

[TB17 0]

Oh noes.

best be worried.

[SpiderGuard 0]

I have not read this thread, few things though:1. This is in no way unethical, and anybody who reports him is a huge bitch.

And I think the big difference between this and the other people who have broken the rules of online sites is that this kid being underage doesn't give him an advantage over the rest of the field. Multi-accounting, buying other people's accounts, etc. all do give people an advantage. Being 16 does not.

[no not baxter 0]

And I think the big difference between this and the other people who have broken the rules of online sites is that this kid being underage doesn't give him an advantage over the rest of the field. Multi-accounting, buying other people's accounts, etc. all do give people an advantage. Being 16 does not.

BINGO BANGO

[Influcted 0]

What a d-bag ratting someone else out

[Chicago99 0]

I have not read this thread, few things though:1. This is in no way unethical, and anybody who reports him is a huge bitch.2. Everybody already knew this.3. There's no possible way the accounts aren't under his parents names who can easily send in ID to stars which means Andy Mcleod will continue to play on every major site.

1. I don't understand why it would be so hard to keep a secret (unless it was an ego thing). If it were me, and I was making ton's of money in a situation where they would take it if they knew my age, nobody would know who I was.2. I am not sure you are right about that last point. That depends on how hard FTP and PS want to look. Just because the account is in the parents name doesn't mean they won't shut it down if it is obvious that the player was the kid and not the parents. I don't have the answer to this, but I wouldn't say "no possible way."

[Acid_Knight 2]

2. I am not sure you are right about that last point. That depends on how hard FTP and PS want to look. Just because the account is in the parents name doesn't mean they won't shut it down if it is obvious that the player was the kid and not the parents. I don't have the answer to this, but I wouldn't say "no possible way."

How are they gonna confirm this? Call the parents and test their poker IQ? I mean, GrinderMJ is totally right and the sites really have no recourse unless parents start turning in their kids for making tens of thousands of dollars.I'll be the parents rake that shit too!

[cubsfan44 0]

I have not read this thread, few things though:1. This is in no way unethical, and anybody who reports him is a huge bitch.2. Everybody already knew this.3. There's no possible way the accounts aren't under his parents names who can easily send in ID to stars which means Andy Mcleod will continue to play on every major site.

While I personally could care less how old any of these players are. To say that it is in no way ethically wrong is in my opinion not correct. The RULES of the sites (as dumb as they may or may not be) are that you must be atleast 18 years of age to play. I do however agree that anyone that ratts someone out esp when the main motivation behind it is to say "Sure I did something wrong but look everyone else is doing shit wrong too" is immature and yes makes them a HUGE beeeotch.

[cubsfan44 0]

How are they gonna confirm this? Call the parents and test their poker IQ? I mean, GrinderMJ is totally right and the sites really have no recourse unless parents start turning in their kids for making tens of thousands of dollars.I'll be the parents rake that shit too!

I gotta imagine that like B&M casinos online have the right to refuse anyones busines without having to give any sort of a reason

[GrinderMJ 0]

While I personally could care less how old any of these players are. To say that it is in no way ethically wrong is in my opinion not correct. The RULES of the sites (as dumb as they may or may not be) are that you must be atleast 18 years of age to play. I do however agree that anyone that ratts someone out esp when the main motivation behind it is to say "Sure I did something wrong but look everyone else is doing shit wrong too" is immature and yes makes them a HUGE beeeotch.

I don't think you know what ethics are : / Just because something breaks a rule doesn't make it unethical. It's illegal to light up a J but I don't think people who do are unethical.

[cubsfan44 0]

I don't think you know what ethics are : / Just because something breaks a rule doesn't make it unethical. It's illegal to light up a J but I don't think people who do are unethical.

Breaking a rule isnt unethical?edit: Knowingly breaking a rule

[Acid_Knight 2]

I gotta imagine that like B&M casinos online have the right to refuse anyones busines without having to give any sort of a reason

This is true as well I'd imagine. I still can't see them doing it.

[vbnautilus 48]

Breaking a rule isnt unethical?

Not necessarily, no. Many rules are unjust. Was it unethical to let a black person ride in the front of the bus when that was against the rules?

[Chicago99 0]

How are they gonna confirm this? Call the parents and test their poker IQ? I mean, GrinderMJ is totally right and the sites really have no recourse unless parents start turning in their kids for making tens of thousands of dollars.I'll be the parents rake that shit too!

Like I said, I don't know what the standard they are using is, I just don't know that I would say "no worry." The sites are unregulated. They don't have to confirm it beyond all doubt. If the investigation leads them to believe he is underage they can do what they want (and given how many people apparently knew about it, they should be able to find something.) Do the parents work? Was the internet at home used during the day? Think of how that Nat guy tracked down absolute. Do you really think there is no way to get an idea of who was really playing?Look if the sites want to sweep it under the rug, they will be able to. If they want to make an example of him, I think they will be able to.My guess based on nothing but common sense and a little precedent? Something like what happened to ZJ will happen - he keeps most of the money and is banned from the site.