who was the fish?

[Guest]

ive been to casinos like that , windsor in canada has a max buy in of 100 for the 1/2 tableanyway heres how i see it....you raised the norm preflop 15, got two callers so roughly 45 in the potyou then raised representing the flop but had the flush draw to fall back on as well as two overs +30he puts you all in for 55 or something like that....at this point in the hand hes a favorite to win barely with ace high at 46/54 and if he did have a hand like 99 you are actually the slight favoriteso you had to call 25 more into a 75 dollar pot giving you 3-1 on your moneyyou have to make that call knowone is the fish, he made a bad play, and you called correctly.

[Emptyeye 0]

; )Thats a nutty buyin structure for a 1-2 NL game.  Let me take a stab, is this an indian casino? (Disclaimer: I do not have any hatred towards indians, Ive just found that indian casinos tend to be shoddy)

Foxwoods is not just an indian casino, it's THE indian casino (It's actually the largest casino, indian or no, in the world). My friend and I head down there every few months or so, though I prefer to play limit.

[HelioCentric 0]

anyway heres how i see it....you raised the norm preflop 15, got two callers so roughly 45 in the potyou then raised representing the flop but had the flush draw to fall back on as well as two overs  +30he puts you all in for  55 or something like that....at this point in the hand hes a favorite to win barely with ace high at 46/54 and if he did have a hand like 99 you are actually the slight favoriteso you had to call 25 more into a 75 dollar pot giving you 3-1 on your moneyyou have to make that call  knowone is the fish, he made a bad play, and you called correctly.

the raise was 53 more, so 83 total. but yeah... at that point, it was a good call as i was pot stuck as someone put it. I agree I misplayed the hand preflop.Probably shoulda just called the blind, or raised $5. KQ is a hand that is too easily dominated/counterfeited by any callers, so isn't worth a large preflop investment... even if it is sooted. Post flop I feel I played ok, as my options were:-Raise to try and take it down there with the semi-bluff, as I tried with my $30 bet. (Honestly, he shoulda layed down his AK here, putting me on a PP with my preflop raise. I guess he figured I was on a weaker ace than him). -Bet $10 to try and draw to my flush cheaply. -or obviously check, and see what someone does, and if I wanna pursue my flush draw at that point. (Yes, I was outta position to the guy with AK, he was the button)After he raised me all in though, there wasn't much choice, as I already put in half of my money, and was pot committed. Ok, i'm bored of this now, we have beaten it to death. KQ is a marginally, less than premium hand that I overplayed preflop, AK he overplayed after the flop. We both pushed.The turn and river did their thing, and I wound up $116 richer. THE END.

[21gambit 0]

excuse me, yes Ive heard of foxwoods and hear its quite reputable, another case of me not paying enough attention to the original post. Im from the mid west and have never seen that structure for 1-2, a max buyin of 100 makes little sense to me as traditionally its 100x the big blind.

[Ebonwoulfe 0]

Please stop assuming you made a bad play, you had second nut flush draw with two overs.You can't fold.

[HelioCentric 0]

perhaps a bit over zealous preflop.Everything after that was acceptable as far as i'm concerned. I was acknowledging ppl's comments that AQ or AK would have me dominated, and I was fortunate to hit a flop that was very favorable to my hand instead of a K or Q high flop. I thought the most productive thing to come from this thread for me was the comments that I was thinking more in terms of tournament play than cash game. I would say that until the last month, 98% of all my poker playing has been in tournaments, both MTT and SNG's. I thought it was interesting that a few ppl picked up on that same thing, that I was playing as if it were a tourney. I am still very new to cash games, and am trying to learn/adjust my style of play accordingly. Well, again, beat a dead house. I'm done. THE END.

[sloshr 0]

He was the fish. Why didn't he reraise you preflop with AK. Calling and bluffing at a rag flop is ridiculous. You have to call there, getting great odds. He either needs to reraise preflop or muck on the flop when he missed.

[NikolaiPutin 0]

I go to Foxwoods fairly often. I like the $40-$100 NL, but sometimes it is exactly like the OP said if you don't raise to at least $15 preflop you aren't taken seriously. Even then you will get a couple of folks who "don't belive you" Important to stay patient there. The good news is you usually get paid off when you have a hand. Thats been my experience there anyway.

[monoatomic 0]

I play at foxwoods as well..I had bought mostly 2 dollar chips from the house to play in a 1-2 $100 max NL table. I figured the blinds are 1/2 so most bets must be like 2 or 4 dollars for a raise.When I sat down at the table I was berated for bringing those chips to the table. Everyone else suggested that I get $5 dollar chips otherwise I would be holding up the game and costing them money (the table has a $5 half hour rake to play there.)Every bet was atleast 5 dollars preflop and most were 10-15.

[21gambit 0]

nutty game considering the bets vs buyins. Im guessing everyones basic strategy is to amass a decent stack and they play real poker. Odd odd game. Dont understand why they would limit the buyin to 50bb

[badjefft 0]

I can only speak for the so cal. casinos (Commerce, The Bike and Hollywood Park), but raises of $15 to $20 are standard at the $100 buy-in ($2-$3 blinds). At the $200 ($3-$5 blinds) a $30 raise is standard. Finally, at the $400 game ($5-$10 blinds) I usually come in with a $50-$60 raise. If you raise 3.5 times the big blind you'll get chased. You have to make them pay.

[HelioCentric 0]

The other thing to consider too, is usually there is one or two ppl at any given table that have a stack of 500-1000 chips. They are usually the ones driving this insane preflop action, or at least inducing it simply by the size of their stack. If you want them outta a hand, you need to raise big. My experience has been a $5 bet is almost the same as not raising at all. That is funny about the $2 dollar chips, I thought they would be prominently involved at the 1/2 NL table as well. Silly me for thinking such a thing. That is probably why the bets are so insane, everyone has mostly red chips ($5) in front of them, and only a few whites ($1). Just to simplify matters (and the fact that most ppl are very lazy), rather than raise $6 or $8 preflop, and have to have change made, ppl simply bet two reds and thats that. Then if they wanna raise bigger, 3 reds.