Ugh, Phucking Online Poker

[Royal_Tour 0]

what sort of "profit" or ROI should i be expecting @ 100Nl tables?I cant believe how TAG these people are.I was multi tabling, after about 1 hour, i was up $25 at 1 table, and down 20 at another, and roughly even at another. i pick up K,10 on button at the table that i'm down 20 on. Its 6 handed .50/1.00NLUTG limp, i limp sb raises to 3.50 UTG calls. so i call.i flop the nut straight. A,Q,J, 2diamonds. I have no diamondsb leads out for the pot. $10.50, UTG calls 10.50. pot now $31.50i only have a stack of about 35 leftI push. they both fold. wtf??Its been like this all week. winning 20 bucks at 100NL is like gold.

[No_Neck 0]

what sort of "profit" or ROI should i be expecting @ 100Nl tables?I cant believe how TAG these people are.I was multi tabling, after about 1 hour, i was up $25 at 1 table, and down 20 at another, and roughly even at another. i pick up K,10 on button at the table that i'm down 20 on. Its 6 handed .50/1.00NLUTG limp, i limp sb raises to 3.50 UTG calls. so i call.i flop the nut straight. A,Q,J, 2diamonds. I have no diamondsb leads out for the pot. $10.50, UTG calls 10.50. pot now $31.50i only have a stack of about 35 leftI push. they both fold. wtf??Its been like this all week. winning 20 bucks at 100NL is like gold.

Didn't you use to play the Skills network? I just got an email that they closed... or was that tiger gaming.

[fckthis 0]

What site are you playing at? I play at party and the 100NL 6max tables are ****ing juicy. Get your money on there ASAP. You will not regret it.

[dreamcrusher28 0]

My guess is Absolute.

[mtdesmoines 3]

what sort of "profit" or ROI should i be expecting @ 100Nl tables?I cant believe how TAG these people are.I was multi tabling, after about 1 hour, i was up $25 at 1 table, and down 20 at another, and roughly even at another. i pick up K,10 on button at the table that i'm down 20 on. Its 6 handed .50/1.00NLUTG limp, i limp sb raises to 3.50 UTG calls. so i call.i flop the nut straight. A,Q,J, 2diamonds. I have no diamondsb leads out for the pot. $10.50, UTG calls 10.50. pot now $31.50i only have a stack of about 35 leftI push. they both fold. wtf??Its been like this all week. Winning 20 bucks at 100NL is like gold.

You should have let them push at you on the turn. I don't really play cash games online any more. Especially at the $100/$200 NL levels. More rocks there than any game in the world.I play strictly tournament online.Seems like more action and better ROI. People HAVE to play instead of sitting sitting sitting. Cash live games are +EV over online cash game x100%

[Webslinger516 0]

Cash live games are +EV over online cash game x100%

Agreed! Plus it's easier to sense weakness and strength in people when playing live - not to mention it's easier to focus on what's going on at the table rather than being tempted to 3-table and spread out your reads.

[fckthis 0]

Ye, but live games dont have variety. Most rooms have only 1/2nl, so its hard to build a bankroll to that level, considering you should be starting out at 4000-5000. They dont have lower or higher levels, so if you wanna progress its much easier online.

[mtdesmoines 3]

Ye, but live games dont have variety. Most rooms have only 1/2nl, so its hard to build a bankroll to that level, considering you should be starting out at 4000-5000. They dont have lower or higher levels, so if you wanna progress its much easier online.

I agree that game selection online kicks ***. But what good is a sour game? And that's what I think $100/$200 NL online is: sour. Full of multi-tabling rocks and devoid of action. 1BB/100 is a good return? OMG. Ten orbits to make a buck?

[fckthis 0]

I agree that game selection online kicks ***. But what good is a sour game? And that's what I think $100/$200 NL online is: sour. Full of multi-tabling rocks and devoid of action. 1BB/100 is a good return? OMG. Ten orbits to make a buck?

Well its too bad the US players cant get Party, because it still has sooooo many fish at every level. I mean I get paid off by terrible hands like no pair nodraw high card K at least twice a day. Some guy called a 2/3 pot bet with A3h on a KJ7, 2 spades board, against my KK. Enough said.

[Webslinger516 0]

Some guy called a 2/3 pot bet with A3h on a KJ7, 2 spades board, against my KK. Enough said.

I felt my ace-high was good.

[No_Neck 0]

Well its too bad the US players cant get Party, because it still has sooooo many fish at every level. I mean I get paid off by terrible hands like no pair nodraw high card K at least twice a day. Some guy called a 2/3 pot bet with A3h on a KJ7, 2 spades board, against my KK. Enough said.

wanna find a friend that needs a "new account" and hook up your brother to the south.... 10%?

[fckthis 0]

I felt my ace-high was good.

lol nice one

[Royal_Tour 0]

Ye, but live games dont have variety. Most rooms have only 1/2nl, so its hard to build a bankroll to that level, considering you should be starting out at 4000-5000. They dont have lower or higher levels, so if you wanna progress its much easier online.

Ohh realllyy??haha, thats what the Royal Run is all about baby!. I was told building a roll online was my best bet. I said, screw that, i'd rather try it playing live.and things are going better than expected

[Roberts2003 0]

i think i would go insane and be a losing player if i played 100NL again, i CRAVE action. whenever im at a tag table i often just leave because its so boring.

[CobaltBlue 662]

Hmm...seeing 200 hands per hour 3/4-tabling 6-max or 30 hands per hour playing full ring? I think you can tell my preference. I'm not saying that it's not nice to mix things up and practice reading people, but it can also be extremely boring and terrible for earn rate.

[krup24 0]

Hmm...seeing 200 hands per hour 3/4-tabling 6-max or 30 hands per hour playing full ring? I think you can tell my preference. I'm not saying that it's not nice to mix things up and practice reading people, but it can also be extremely boring and terrible for earn rate.

I agree except I've been playing 6/7 tables of FR online. Pace is perfect for me. I think I have excellent table selection skills and I also have about 12 uber donks buddy listed that play everyday and lose buyin after buyin after buyin.RT I think you should rethink stars. You won't have trouble finding loose 100 NL 6 max there.

[T-Dot-poker 0]

I agree 100% with the post about the hands per hour. I don't think there is any comparison between the profit potential online as opposed to live games....especially if you are playing smart and waiting for your hands. In a casino....you could be waiting hours for your rush to come (based on the amount of hand being dealt in an hour). Where as online...you will see way more hands AND you have the ability to multi-table. In my opinion...live games are only good for high stakes games and tournaments.

[CobaltBlue 662]

In my opinion...live games are only good for high stakes games and tournaments.

Bingo.

[Royal_Tour 0]

just sat at 1/2 NL on FTP last night. wow what a difference. Maybe i was at a good table, but seemed like the players were willing to go to raised flops more often.

[Royal_Tour 0]

I agree 100% with the post about the hands per hour. I don't think there is any comparison between the profit potential online as opposed to live games....especially if you are playing smart and waiting for your hands. In a casino....you could be waiting hours for your rush to come (based on the amount of hand being dealt in an hour). Where as online...you will see way more hands AND you have the ability to multi-table. In my opinion...live games are only good for high stakes games and tournaments.

I agree, and i used to think the exact same thing as you and Cobalt.However, realize this; LIVE, the majority of your opponents are there to try their hand at a little poker. They bring 100 or 200 that they plan to lose. If they win, well all the better. But they sit down willing to lose their cash.Now, players like myself, who go there to play to win. and go there with the intention to sit for 6 hours. Ill walk around, ill wait on hands, I'll fold Top pair on the flop if its raised and re-raised.I have 1 thing in mind. Scoop some pots.The 50 year old man, and his buddy who are their with their wives to see David Copperfield don't have all day/night, They have 1 hour before the show starts, so they will try desperately to make their A,8o the nuts.And thats why Its so easy to pick up pot after pot.You compare that with online players. Now-a-days, people who play online for fun are a minority. The Majority play to win. They multitable, they watch TV while hand after hand gets dealt to them. Online is an easier way to even out variance. But live is a cash grab IMO.

[Zach6668 513]

You're right about most of what you wrote, Royal.In my experiences though, if you were to play the same stakes online as live, you'd make more per hour than you would live, and it really wouldn't be close. It may take a bit more skill, or adjustment, but the ability to play 10x as many hands per hour makes up for a lower $$/hand rate.The benefits to live play are that higher stakes are softer, generally, so that makes up for a bit of the hourly rate thing, since you should be able to play higher on the same roll, due to your edge being bigger.