linkwood

True. I check/call then.

Instead of checking the river, i think you could have made a blocker bet of about 15-20, which might have saved you a tough decision. If the villian pushes you can probably fold your hand knowing that he has the 10. As played, i think you have to call. If he is an aggro-donk he could be making this move with almost anything (98, 99, 56, etc), using the scare card to bluff you off. You will probably run into the 10 most of the time, but against an aggro-donk, getting over 2-1 i think you should look him up here.Edit: 98 got there. i missed that the first time around. i still say call.

that's an interesting point. let me ask you this, with no real read, if you raise and he pushes are you ever going to lay down this hand?

I say you need to raise it up, between 90-120. You have a big hand, but there's a lot of draws on the board so you need to protect it. If he's got a big draw like you mentioned, its unlikely he will let it go, but by raising you can also punish a smaller king (other than kq of course), which is unlikely but still possible.

yeah you're right. sometimes, i do overthink things a bit and i think this is a case of that (stupid brain). thanks for the input

yeah you have to call (and brick out). what did he show? i'm gonna bet either a7 or something like aj

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHH ok. now i see. ok, so i guess everyone believes its not possible for a passive player to act aggressive sometimes and maybe you're right. its just hard for me to me to believe that this would always be the case, that there were never be a situation where you would bet here. but i'll concede. at any rate, i believe we're all in agreement here that you just call down and get as many free cards as possible in this specific situation.

i know this, but my point is that sometimes people do things that we didn't expect them to do. in this specific case, like i said, yeah i would likely check behind, but in other cases i may lean towards betting. i've seen weak players make moves before. are you telling me that when a weak player check raises you and checks the turn you're ALWAYS checking behind, no matter what?? perhaps its more theoretical than practical but am i missing something here?

I just want to clarify, i would never, ever advocate raising, much less shoveling, in this hand unless we hit our draw (especially the off suit 10). If i made that impression it was a mistake. i agree that there is 0 fold equity if they have top pair. Still, the reason i'm on the fence about the scenario of them checking the turn is that it would be weird for a player who is loose/passive to check raise the flop and then check the turn. Unless they are going for the double check raise it doesn't make sense and perhaps they were going for a resteal on the flop (this is, of course, assuming

First off, you're out of position are you? Unless i'm reading this wrong you're on the button and the villian is the bb. Loose/passive fish in this game, he probably has an ace because i can see a loose passive player check raising a draw the minimum, nor a queen. Unless your read is a bit off, the most likely hand is an ace here, but we should keep the others in mind. So the next question is - is there any fold equity? From your read, i would say probably not. So, being in position, i say call the flop bet and use your position to call down, hoping to hit your draw. If you do hit the

I haven't seen that much money at my 3-5 game. What do they pay aid workers these days?? Our tax dollars, hard at work!

The key, like AK said, is to play your hands accordingly. By slowplaying the flop you gave him a cheap draw. You're lucky that he missed the turn so that he could make a mistake. The key to poker is to force your opponents to make mistakes, but on the flop you didn't do that. You have to know when to slowplay and when not to. When I hit two pair with a baby ace i'm going to bet aggressively, hoping my opponent has a bigger, one pair ace that they just can't let go of (common at these stakes). Even more so when there are draws on the board. The second part is that once you begin to prote

Yeah, she led into two people, one of them the preflop raiser, for a pot sized bet and an all in. She's either a lunatic or she's not doing that with air.

I agree with the others, raise whatever it is you can raise. you may be beat here but if you are its a cooler. his min raise on the river means that he likely has a hand he considers to be a big one, so you can definitely get called by a hands that you beat. put it up to 100-120, call a push.

sounds like a great game though. where's the cardroom?

I don't think its "odd" that the good players are avoiding each other. IMO the only time you should play a big pot with them is when you have the nuts or close to it. No reason to get mixed up with good players when the bad ones are so prevalent and well-endowed. (not in that way you sicko)

I would treat a suited ace like a drawing hand (98s, 33, etc) and try to see cheap flops where you can flop monsters and stack somebody. Stack size is really important though. if this is a 100 max buy in game then early on you should play tight and stay away from the drawing type hands. once you get a good sized stack (300-500) i would start mixing it up by limping/calling more with drawing hands in position to hit big flops and have someone pay you off with some donk hand. dump all weak offsuit aces. i probably would only aq, ak off for a raise. aj off only in position, and maybe a10 o

Of course. q5 is the nuts. I think the main difference between your hand and the hypothetical one is that it would be hard to assignment adjectives such as "solid" and "tight" to someone who gets it all in four ways with q5 sooted.

Seriously! After cleaning up the puke on my carpet, i asked how he could make the call. he said that he didn't put her on an overpair or 9-7, so he thought he had it. he gave me one of those "i was right so obviously i made the correct play". i wanted to ask if those were the only two hands he thought of but then i puked on my carpet again.

I know that some in this forum are good enough to open fold KK before the flop, but i just haven't achieved that amount of enlightenment in my poker game yet. Found this question on that donkeytest.com website and its one that bugs me. 5/10 NL Cash game. 10 handed. Everyone has about $1,000. Solid player UTG limps. A tight player in middle raises to $40, a tight aggressive player behind him re-raises to $150, and the button puts in a third raise for half his stack to $500.You are in the BB with KK. What do you do? I know that there's really only one hand we're worried about obviously. But

i'm not so sure about that. he's probably better than most and it works well against novices but he definitely gives up a lot against good players by his speeches.

it would certainly piss me off. in a home game though you have much less recourse (no floor to call) if the owner of the home doesn't care. so if that's the case and the game is good enough you should try to not let it bother you and use the information that you are forced to give out.

yeah its true. its bad ettiquette to force a player who wants to muck to show their cards, but if you ask before the cards hit the muck then the dealer has to show them. if i'm really interested i'll just ask the person what they had but i won't force them to show if they really don't want to.

wow, close. so my friend makes the call and tables the 99. i puke all over the floor. my wife tables 5d4d. misses everything and my friend scoops the pot, thinking what a genius he was (he reminds me of the jj lui post Acid Knight posted earlier). i could not believe that he could make that call. my wife leading into two people, pot sized, into the preflop raiser, she's got AT LEAST a huge draw, if not a set or two pair. i never see her putting all her chips into the pot without a great made hand or at least 12 outs. oh well. as an aside, any thoughts on how mrs villian 1 played the h

I agree with this most of the time. but in this case i think cobalt played it right post flop. raising here only works if you have fold equity. i don't think this person is laying down an overpair, or even top pair, given the hands we've seen. we have position why not let that work for us?