Milton

And in most situations like this, folding is good practice. I thought I agreed. Then I broke down the hand logically and did the math to found out I was objectively wrong.Shutting alternative views down and having multiple people saying things like "I don't know how this can still be going on" is inbred thinking.Evolve. Because even if you're not, others will be and they might have approaches to certain problems that you hadn't considered. Understanding their approach is still beneficial to you as a poker player even if you don't consider their way to be a better one.Because just remember, at

I'm on campus in between classes right now, so I don't have the spreadsheet I was working on with me. But I'll re-run the numbers with different ranges.From what you're describing, a call is probably still right just because you seem to agree UTG and UTG+1 in all likelihood don't have flushes that beat you, but I can understand not wanting to stick an additional $120 in if you think there's a large enough chance you're drawing dead.

How do you think we're dead over 50% of the time here? Have you played live at these limits?UTG idiot is never shoving with the nuts for that much over the $40.UTG+1 tight/passive isn't tank-calling with the nuts. The only flush combination he's holding here is KdJd, and he's probably not tank-calling with that vs. the idiot either. He might show up with Jd9d, but that's a lot more rare for those types.LP isn't tank-calling with the nuts/king high flush either. So that leaves the only combo as Jd9d.So basically the UTG guy only has 3 hands that beat us, UTG+1 is holding 1 (maybe 2), LP is hold

This hand is a perfect example of how important reads are (and in this scenario, I mean opponent modeling).OP, I can give you the right answer as to whether or not your call is right for you based on your answers to a few questions.Do you think UTG idiot is acting how he did with any AA (including those with no diamond)?Do you think UTG idiot is acting how he did with KdQx?Do you think UTG idiot is acting how he did with a flush that beats yours? if so, which flushes?Do you think UTG idiot is acting how he did with just an Ad? If so, is he liable to limp with any AdXx?Which flushes that you be

In my mind, the 3-card flush actually does make a huge difference. This isn't a pot you want to be check-raised out of. You have a decently strong hand, but if you're behind, there are theoretically 10 diamonds, 2 kings, 3 jacks out there to improve your strength. There's a huge difference between having 15 cards you want to see on the turn and just 6 cards.That being said, betting isn't bad as you can get calls from KQ, KJ, QJ, JT. I just think there's a lot more room for playing this for a greater profit by checking behind on the flop.

So very true. My approach against idiots, too often, is to take a very conservative route.

I think folding the river is good. He has played the hand passively the whole way and just now decides to get out of line? I don't think it's a bluff, and you're not beating anything except bluffs here. 6,000 in chips is pretty crucial at this stage of the tournament, save it for another pot.For that same reason, I agree with rrumsey that checking behind on the flop is good. You've been given an opportunity at a free card. You have 3 cards to the nut flush and your bet won't help you find anything out. If you check behind, you allow worse hands to bet you on the turn (which you can just call),

I think you played the hand perfectly. Although there's nothing wrong with betting the turn, this is exactly why you do check it in position. You allow draws to turn themselves into bluffs a lot easier and you better understand what their action means on the river.Against a donk, I think you're looking at a decent one pair an overwhelming majority of a time, and getting paid off on it with the size you chose. It sucks if he happens to have you beat, but I still think raising is a good play.

I had been 2.5x raising and adding 1x for each limper, so I wanted to keep consistent. My logic for not boosting it more is knowing the guy probably had a weak hand because of the limp. Figured I could see a flop, c-bet and take it down or slow down and try see a showdown.However, this happened to be a 4s6s instacall. Usually, I only see leads like this with pair/draw combos or 2 overs and a flush draw and I didn't peg him as the type to play a set this way. So impossible to give him credit for 2 pair.Thanks for the reinforcement of what, in this instance, turned out to be play. I shoved figur

Playing the 6-max $22 deepstack on Stars yesterday when the following hand came about.Only had been at the same table as the villain for 15-20 hands. In that time span, I never saw his cards in a showdown. However, he did make 4 open raises preflop, 1 4x raises, 2 5x raises, and 1 6x raise. Yes, all OPEN raises, no limpers. On the 6-x raise, everyone folded preflop and he showed KQ offsuit.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 22 Tournament, 100/200 Blinds (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comHero (Button) (t7480)SB (t15577)BB (t9378)UTG (t18260)Villain (MP) (t69436)CO (t43425)

That's basically what I was driving at. I think he shows up with enough hands that we have beat. Not saying we're good an overwhelming number of times, but I still think it's enough to call.

I think you really have to consider many scenarios to really analyze the merit of this strategy.At tournaments with stakes of $10 and under, I really think that limping with JJ and under has some real value. A lot of times you'll get more value out of your hand on raggy boards. That being said, you're still better off even with a minraise for the sake of thinning the field of junk and building a pot. What you're missing out on value before the flop, you're gaining a lot after the flop. However, now you're not going to stack off a donk that is married to top pair with a hand like AT on a board

I've only played rush a couple of times, so forgive me if you disagree with my analysis of this one.How many 89's 78's 67's are really in his range calling a preflop reraised pot?That leaves you with A8, 99, 88, and 55 as the major hands crushing you, of which only 88 and 99 are likely. QQ-AA are usually going to put in a raise here, no? I've been playing a lot of tournaments, so my cash game play is rusty.You have to remember that some guys are skeptics of other people's lines, and perhaps yours screams "FOLD!" to him, leading him to think he can steal with just a flush draw.EDIT: Not to ment

I agree that $12 is much closer to the right amount on the turn.As far as the river is concerned, I just can't say I know what to bet. A check probably isn't great most often, but my $12 bet was worse looking back on it. I got a little nervous because I had a sick feeling I let 78 or 77 get there.I can see if he had a set or top 2 he'd probably want to raise for value as it's clear that I haven't represented the straight. I'm not sure. Looking at it from the outside, I'd think it's something like A8 (knowing I seem weak), J8 (hoping I put him on a bluff), straight, or a complete bluff.What do

Basically, since I've been sitting down, this guy has had the deepest or second deepest stack. Lots of preflop raises to 3.50, lots of continuation bets. Has shown a tendency to be aggressive until he faces aggression. Here's one hand from early on, it's about the only hand I've seen him go to a showdown with.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comVillain (Button) ($131.50)SB ($105)Hero (BB) ($111.50)UTG ($100)MP ($25.65)Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, 42 folds, Villain bets $3.50, SB raises to $14.60, 1 fold, Villain calls $11.10Flop: (

You know, I will say that it's one of the toughest beats I've seen.1. It's Omaha, and he's chasing the 4th highest flush and having 765 for his low cards.2. It's a paired board, making him a bigger donk for the high.3. He's got the Jc to give the blocker on the higher straight flush, yet he only smooth calls the river.Maybe the donk thinks quads beats straight flushes and was afraid of pocket 3's? Worse yet, did he not even realize he had the straight flush and just called hoping his jack high flush was miraculously good?This one almost makes me angry. Calling him a donk is an insult to donks

Preflop: I see Daniel's logic entirely in playing the hand. To those out there that suggest you should fold this preflop are too results oriented. Yes, you're seeing an incidence in which he had a bad flop for the Q8, but that SB position in a 4 way-limped pot (especially when that SB is a professional that is very talented at figuring out where he is relative to his opponents in a hand) can be very powerful, at least powerful enough to pick this hand up 1 out of 7 times. Not because of the strength of the hand itself, but rather the experience of the person playing it.How often is there going

A lot of hands that you're up against have you beat here as you're well awareYou could easily be facing a set or the nut straight, or Aces. If you're facing a min-raise preflop from a guy like this, usually it's easy to put him on AA-QQ or AK at the very least if he's as tight as you say. I don't see a player playing this tight making that min-raise followed by a pot sized bet on that coordinated of a board unless he held something strong.I'd live to fight another day.

Fitz, I've been absolutely busy. Went to a campus far away from here for a few days last weekend. Went to the Brewers game last night and come home to find you're not there to play. I've contacted you early and often and am still ready to go whenever you are.The tired excuse is legitmate, as succeeding in college is a lot more important to me than playing one rounds of heads up poker. I'm all done with classes though, so hit me up on AIM or on here whenever you'd like to play.

No, you're absolutely right. It's not like any website has used anything similar to what I suggested.Courtesy: PokerStars WebsiteBut it's already set and I didn't care, I was just taking an educated guess.

To me, a logical payout would be 320 240 120 120. But that's just me. It's 40%/30%/15%/15%. Just a thought.

I'm just letting it be known for Fitz' sake and everyone in charge that I'm going to be gone starting tomorrow afternoon until Saturday or Sunday. Sorry if I can't schedule my round 2 match right away, but I'll definitely be available once I'm back home.

zomg, wowz.

Srsly?

Fitz, you're just a little too late. We just got done playing 3 in a row. He was dominating me for the first 1.5, and I came back to win 2-1.Great game again, Joe.