DrZebra

Can anyone take these off my hands...make an offer.

So you're saying regardless of where the other big stack is seated, continue raising with a wide range of holdings?

I've consistently had a problem with the following situation:I'm in the top 10 chips stacks with less than 100 people left. I'm at a table I've been at for an hour or more and have been stealing blinds regularly when folded to me.Now I'm suddenly moved to a new table and there's a guy who is already occupying the position I was at my last table (ie making timely steals as a large stack.) How do I get a feel for the table without risking too many chips. What range should I be raising and how does it change with respect to my seating position against the other big stack? (I don't want to si

I think it's a risk/reward judgment. I wouldn't want to be in this situation in an unraised preflop pot. If I raised giving him 3:1 or worse preflop, the chances of 45 being in there are small. As is, the guy got 5:1 with no action behind him which is an easy call with 45. I don't see this as a normal hand and would only be worth playing if there's a decent shot of getting the nuts: ie AA, Ks4s, 45...etc.Emphasis: for me (my personal judgment of the risk/reward scenario), this is by no means a normal "flop a set on a dangerous board" hand. This is worse.

if we check the flop and call the turn, we have to call the river.if we b/r the flop and check the turn, we can safely fold on the river.3 sb's < 2 bb's

Fine, get defensive, play how you want.What is with this machismo thing around here?You are beat and are asking everyone "why did I lose this hand."I'm telling you: you did not need to be in there in the first place. If you made it 60 to go preflop and bet 125 on the flop, then I'd say reraise to 3.5 times his raise, but the fact is this hand was unraised preflop, you have little information and should get out of the way of this situation.

Because you've checked the flop, you've failed to define your hand to any degree, so when the jack hits the turn you pretty much have to call, not knowing where you are. If you are c/r and call, I don't see how you're ahead of a bet on the turn unimproved (J on the turn is hardly improved.)The more I think about it did anyone consider betting the flop with the intention of 3-betting a raise practically guaranteeing a free river?

You may have gained two outs. I can see arguments for a raise/fold or a fold. Calling is bad.

The whole point of this discussion was that I was saying that 5 folds does not mean it is suddenly the same as a short-handed game...it is different.That is all.

None.Bet the flop. If you are raised, call and c/f an unimproved turn.If you are not raised, free river.

Unraised pot preflop, dangerous board...why the hell did you reraise to 700 ???You can let go of your 90 dollar investment when he raises you and chuckle after the hand and lean to your neighbor and say "i would've had a boat" but you cannot reraise to 700 in this unraised preflop pot.That said, now your odds are way too good. Call.

my bad misread the HH

bet the flop it's unclear how many outs you have. He could have bigger spades or a made straight or a set of jacks or KQ...You're contriving a scenario to justify your move. Stop it.

Don't contrive situations in which you think you made an arguably correct play: your "they were all limping" read and your "he raises to 15 with anything" reads are not worth much and possibly defense mechanisms.In hand 1 you clearly need to protect on the flop. Thinking "if i bet, they'll KNOW i have the straight" is illogical.The push in hand 2 is very bad and should get an instacall from a better hand.

If CM assumes that (to simplify) no one alive bluffs this hard and leads the river, then it doesn't matter if the villain IS bluffing, because for calculation's sake he ISN'T (since it happens zero percent of the time.)haha

whoa whoa whoa...not the same. 5 folds means theoretically there's a higher density of high cards behind you. The raise is questionable but fine.The flop fold makes no sense. i like the b/c line. Fold if unimproved.OP, you should not think about calling 2.5 BB's, call 0.5 BB's and reevaluate.

haven't read replies:you cannot check that flop.whole hand plays differently...

Why?He would have to have A34x.Why would you not think he probably has a flush? By the way, I have the Ah so if he does have a good flush, he probably had a high hand to start (ie, KKQT etc...)I think donk folds anything but A4 or A5 here and maybe A5 sometimes...

4/8 O8 with a half kill to 6/12. Previous hand was killed by me.Hero is in the CO with There is a complete donk on the button who's a bit of a calling station when there's one bet to him on just about any street. Other players at table are reasonably tight and villain has shown himself to be a competent player.Preflop:fold, call, villain calls, fold, fold, i check, donk calls, fold, bb checks.(2.25 BB's) Flop: :D check, villain checks, i check, donk bets, bb folds, fold, villain calls, i call.(3.75 BB's) Turn: :card_hearts_10:i swear when that turn card came out villain licked his lips, t

Are you sure they weren't gasping because post-rake the winner of the pot gets his BB back and the loser gets nothing?

Looks like a case of "I think my opponents might be idiots"-itis. Personally I think it's the biggest leak in my game: not giving enough credit to idiots. Unless you've gotta solid read on this particular hand, you can't accurately account for widening the range of hands (especially of two opponents) because one of them tends to be loose.

These examples are so simple we don't need to run numbers. With AK preflop you likely have an equity edge AND postflop your situation will be transparent. (And no one is saying to call down in an ugly 99 situation like that.) Your lines look arbitrary.This is not obvious to me--what are your thoughts.Almost 20% of the flops with two overs will miss 3 opponents when you have 88.As I said it's 15.5% for 99.For TT it's just over 11%.If you're folding to two overs 100% of the time then your 3 opponents need to bluff the flop roughly 20% of the time to make raising TT incorrect. But you're not f

I can see the argument that it's hard to analyze the turn play when the flop should have been raised. My bad.However, I must argue again against the preflop raise and here's why.Let's say that 99 is a slight favorite over the other 3 hands.Are you truly "raising for value" by raising preflop.35% of the time the flop will contain at least two overs. 6% of the time it will be all 3.Roughly 15.5% of the time two overs will flop AND none of the other 3 players will hit them.If you plan on folding even a third of the time two or more overs flop 4-way, then raising "for value" preflop is clearly w

Running a board with no betting (since that's what equity valuations are based on.)

There is little doubt we have greater than 1/n, but I don't see how we get full value from that equity if we can be bluffed off if an ace hits the flop or if KxQ flops...this is not hot/cold.