A Mosque On The Twin Towers Site?

[LongLiveYorke 38]

Last time I was in the city, I couldn't find a good piece of pizza. I am beginning to think that New York doesn't have any good pizza restaurants.

YOU LIE

[timwakefield 68]

I am beginning to think that New York doesn't have any good pizza restaurants.

This is probably the silliest thing you've ever said. I'm practically at a loss for words on how to explain how wrong you are. My knowledge only touches Manhattan and Brooklyn, but here's a quick breakdown, because a lot of you guys seem to need it. First of all, you need to know what to order. 90% of pizza shops in NY are your average price-range, etc. So I'm just talking about these here - more specifics on your classy and/or expensive joints later. What you want to order is a "slice," which is New-York for plain. The other famous New York pizza, which is more ubiquitous in Brooklyn than in Manhattan in my experience, is the "Grandma" slice. As in, "Lemme get a slice of Gramma." It looks like this:It has lots of fresh sauce, is sometimes messy, and has a lot of garlic usually, I think. I also think there's something other than mozzarella going on, or in-addition-to-mozzarella. Probably parmesan, not sure though. Some places also have excellent Sicilian, but some places really don't. I'd stick with plain or Grandma, at your average joint. I'm only showing that picture to familiarize you with it, not to suggest it as the #1 choice. A normal plain (triangular) slice is still #1. Manhattan: A bit of a mixed bag, for a cheap slice. In some neighborhoods you can't go wrong (unless you're an idiot and find the Pizza Hut), in other neighborhoods you can find something maybe serviceable, hopefully. As far as gourmet though ('gourmet pizza' to me means anyplace that has waiters - they'll also usually do take-out and delivery too though), it's relatively easy to get an outstanding $20-$30 pie, with a topping or 2, in many areas. Some of the cheap places are also outstanding. And I'm sure there are some really world-class pizza joints, but if you want the best pizza you have to go to...Brooklyn!As far as the absolute best, I've really only had a small taste, but it was tremendous. There are I think 2 (and maybe 1 other in the Bronx?) slightly-famous pizzerias where it's just an old probably-Italian dude, an oven, a small place, and he really just makes 1 or maybe 2 or 3 different pies and they cost like $35 and are stupid. Absolutely stupid. Best pizza I've ever had (yes i've been to Italy, for over a month even). And for cheap slices in Brooklyn, basically the same as Manhattan except you'll have a bit more luck on average, and also a few more Grandma slices.

[LongLiveYorke 38]

Also, back on topic, isn't building a Mosque next to the 9-11 site the ultimate version of turning the other cheek:

If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

[85suited 0]

I'm confused, do people actually think it's ok for a Muslim Mosque to be built on the site where Muslim Extremists, in the name of their Religion, waged war and killed over 3,000 people?If a group of people bombed Big Ben, claimed to be Catholics against the state of England, do you think there is any chance a Catholic Church would then be erected in the same spot 10 years later?Free country or not, this is just asinine. Who would sell the land to someone who wanted to do that?

QFT

[Roll the Bones 74]

BG, sometimes it's just fun to point out how wrong and bigoted you can be. Obviously if they were all athiests we wouldn't be having this discussion.

This bothered me last night, I was an ******* and apologize for that comment.

[Balloon guy 158]

I wish someone would step up and make the argument. BG didn't have the stomach for it. Where's scram when you need him.

True

[Balloon guy 158]

This bothered me last night, I was an ******* and apologize for that comment.

I would have cast a stone at you...but you know...

[Balloon guy 158]

This is probably the silliest thing you've ever said.

Not true.By a mile

[Roll the Bones 74]

It's a dick move. It's akin to a rapist being allowed to open a lemonade stand at the site of his last rape, and naming the stand after his victim. That being said, it's perfectly legal and as a free society who also protects people who protest at funerals, this has to be allowed. We can't pick and choose when free speech/freedom of religion is allowed, and since the BG guy seems to be religious of sorts I would say ESPECIALLY when religion is involved, unless you want to be next to be censored.

Sorry but no where close. It would be like not allowing his distant uncle from opening a lemonade stand there who had nothing to do with it.

[Balloon guy 158]

Also, back on topic, isn't building a Mosque next to the 9-11 site the ultimate version of turning the other cheek:

Ahh forgiveness of your enemy defense.As a Christian man, I forgive the people that do me harm ( or should )As an American, I am completely justified to want my country to defend itself.The Bible doesn't command us to lay down our ability to protect ourselves or our neighbors.Why do you think so many Christian groups have lots of guns?

[Balloon guy 158]

Sorry but no where close. It would be like not allowing his distant uncle from opening a lemonade stand there who had nothing to do with it.

If the distant uncle had made offhand comments that the girl was asking for it.Imam Feisal stated that the US and the West must acknowledge the harm they have done to Muslims before terrorism can end.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

Ahh forgiveness of your enemy defense.As a Christian man, I forgive the people that do me harm ( or should )As an American, I am completely justified to want my country to defend itself.The Bible doesn't command us to lay down our ability to protect ourselves or our neighbors.Why do you think so many Christian groups have lots of guns?

So again, if you think a mosque is a threat to our country's security, why is it okay to build them anywhere? Why is the practice of islam okay in brooklyn?

[Balloon guy 158]

So again, if you think a mosque is a threat to our country's security, why is it okay to build them anywhere? Why is the practice of islam okay in brooklyn?

A mosque is one thing.A mosque on the site of major terrorist 'victory' will be a sign that extremist will use to galvanize their belief that God is supporting their jihad.The building they are replacing was destroyed by the airplanes crashing into the twin towers

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

A mosque is one thing.A mosque on the site of major terrorist 'victory' will be a sign that extremist will use to galvanize their belief that God is supporting their jihad.The building they are replacing was destroyed by the airplanes crashing into the twin towers

If you are equating Islam with terrorists, saying that all muslims are either terrorists or supports of terrorism, that makes islam a seditious organization. So why are their mosques okay anywhere? Just say it already, you know you want to say it.

[Balloon guy 158]

If you are equating Islam with terrorists, saying that all muslims are either terrorists or supports of terrorism, that makes islam a seditious organization. So why are their mosques okay anywhere? Just say it already, you know you want to say it.

All muslims are not terrorist.But most terrorist are muslims. Not really, but it's too good a line not to use it.

[El Guapo 8]

It's not really on the site. Its a few blocks away. There are already mosques all over manhattan. How close should they be allowed to get to ground zero? I would prefer there were no mosques at all in new york, but to get rid of them we are going to need to find the antidote to religion.

Oh, I thought it was actually on the land that one of the twin towers was on. Two blocks away in Manhattan may as well be a mile.Ya, I guess I don't have an issue with this, but I think they are stupid for doing it. They have to realize the fallout could be pretty bad opening them up to everything from graffiti to possible fire bombing.

[Balloon guy 158]

Oh, I thought it was actually on the land that one of the twin towers was on. Two blocks away in Manhattan may as well be a mile.Ya, I guess I don't have an issue with this, but I think they are stupid for doing it. They have to realize the fallout could be pretty bad opening them up to everything from graffiti to possible fire bombing.

It is in one of the buildings destroyed by the landing gear from one of the planes.So yes, they didn't actually buy the WTCs land to build the mosque, but the land only became available for rebuilding because of the plane crash.

[El Guapo 8]

It is in one of the buildings destroyed by the landing gear from one of the planes.So yes, they didn't actually buy the WTCs land to build the mosque, but the land only became available for rebuilding because of the plane crash.

Bottom line is. I don't like it. I think most people won't like it. I don't think there is anything anyone can do about it. I think at minimum there will be sever damage done to the building by people who are outraged.I think it's an idiotic way of trying to show that you are sensitive to American ideals.

[Balloon guy 158]

Bottom line is. I don't like it. I think most people won't like it. I don't think there is anything anyone can do about it. I think at minimum there will be sever damage done to the building by people who are outraged.I think it's an idiotic way of trying to show that you are sensitive to American ideals.

I for one am boycotting falafels until they remove their intention of building this mosque.Unless it's a pakistani restaurant, then they are to be called Freedom Falafels

[hblask 1]

Bottom line is. I don't like it. I think most people won't like it. I don't think there is anything anyone can do about it. I think at minimum there will be sever damage done to the building by people who are outraged.I think it's an idiotic way of trying to show that you are sensitive to American ideals.

Yeah, correct all the way down. If they are hoping to rebuild their image, this isn't the way to do it. If they are hoping to piss people off, this is the way to do it.

[Roll the Bones 74]

A mosque is one thing.A mosque on the site of major terrorist 'victory' will be a sign that extremist will use to galvanize their belief that God is supporting their jihad.The building they are replacing was destroyed by the airplanes crashing into the twin towers

http://www.cordobainitiative.org/"Improving Muslim-West Relations"Our Mission: Cordoba Initiative aims to achieve a tipping point in Muslim-West relations within the next decade, bringing back the atmosphere of interfaith tolerance and respect that we have longed for since Muslims, Christians and Jews lived together in harmony and prosperity eight hundred years ago.Solving some of the most intractable conflicts in the world today requires innovative strategies for cross-cultural engagement. Cordoba Initiative tackles this mandate with forethought, expertise and the ability to leverage contacts in influential positions within the Muslim World and the West. Thinking outside the box about international and intercultural conflict resolution also means thinking introspectively about each side's place within its own historical narrative with a view to devising internally oriented solutions.I see this as a major victory for the US, it's like sticking it up the terrorists you know what. Religon is supposed to be about tolerance and respect and not breed hatred. (Unfortunately it does) So many Americans automatically hear the word Muslim and assume terrorists are going to bomb us which is ridiculous. It's like the only thing we know about Islam is from the thousands of hate-filled bigoted emails that circulate around the country. Do you wonder why the majority of Islamic countries despise us when the first thing out of the majority of American's mouths is that "We should jus' nuke the whole goddam place"?

[Balloon guy 158]

http://www.cordobainitiative.org/"Improving Muslim-West Relations"Our Mission: Cordoba Initiative aims to achieve a tipping point in Muslim-West relations within the next decade, bringing back the atmosphere of interfaith tolerance and respect that we have longed for since Muslims, Christians and Jews lived together in harmony and prosperity eight hundred years ago.Solving some of the most intractable conflicts in the world today requires innovative strategies for cross-cultural engagement. Cordoba Initiative tackles this mandate with forethought, expertise and the ability to leverage contacts in influential positions within the Muslim World and the West. Thinking outside the box about international and intercultural conflict resolution also means thinking introspectively about each side's place within its own historical narrative with a view to devising internally oriented solutions.I see this as a major victory for the US, it's like sticking it up the terrorists you know what. Religon is supposed to be about tolerance and respect and not breed hatred. (Unfortunately it does) So many Americans automatically hear the word Muslim and assume terrorists are going to bomb us which is ridiculous. It's like the only thing we know about Islam is from the thousands of hate-filled bigoted emails that circulate around the country. Do you wonder why the majority of Islamic countries despise us when the first thing out of the majority of American's mouths is that "We should jus' nuke the whole goddam place"?

Did you expect them to place on their mission statement page a comment about the US being partly responsible for 9-11?I don't care what the muslim countries think of us, many of them offered sanctuary and support to the terrorist who caused 9-11, some before and some after. I don't care what they think.

[LongLiveYorke 38]

Did you expect them to place on their mission statement page a comment about the US being partly responsible for 9-11?I don't care what the muslim countries think of us, many of them offered sanctuary and support to the terrorist who caused 9-11, some before and some after. I don't care what they think.

(Tears hair out)Why are we equating all Muslims, or basing our opinion of some Muslims on the actions of nations thousands of miles away?This guy is an American citizen who wants to built a house of worship. How can you deny him that in light of the Bill of Rights?

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

(Tears hair out)Why are we equating all Muslims, or basing our opinion of some Muslims on the actions of nations thousands of miles away?

A better question is, if we are doing that, why doesn't BG have the stomach to just call for all mosques to be banned?

[Balloon guy 158]

(Tears hair out)Why are we equating all Muslims, or basing our opinion of some Muslims on the actions of nations thousands of miles away?This guy is an American citizen who wants to built a house of worship. How can you deny him that in light of the Bill of Rights?

Because they chose to put their symbol of their religion on a highly sensitive location. They chose to place in charge a man who has on multiple occasions has implied that the US was partly responsible for the 9-11 attack. They knew this would be controversial, which is why they went to the board to 'ask their blessings'. Acting like it's no different than opening a mosque anywhere else in this country is a good example of the phrase 'useful idiot' the communist coined a few short decades ago.If a Nazi party in Germany wanted to open their headquarters next to Dachau, I would be equally against it. Not because they are Nazi, but because they are going too far.If Robert Bird, the Democrat senator and former grand wizard for the Klu Klux Klan wanted to open a campaign headquarter next to hotel where Marting Luther King Jr was shot, I would be equally against it. Not because he's a democrat, but because he was a former KKK grand wizard and being one of the leaders of the democrat party for over a decade shouldn't give him a pass. ( Did I mention that one of the leaders of the democrat senate was a former KKK grand wizard?)If Bill Clinton wanted to build a house next to an all girls high school, I would be equally against it.