wyo96 0 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 I was watching HSP again the other night and they ran it twice. What I could not tell was if the players tell each other what cards they have before or after they decide to run it twice. Is there an un-written rule about the etiquette of running it twice?Also, has anyone had a 1-2 NL or 2-5 NL table that would run it twice or is it only for high stakes?I am aware some players (ie Barry G) never run it twice.Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
uncooper 1 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 There definitely appears to be some ettiquette involved. When it's a coinflip, I can see both players agreeing to run it twice, basically saying "OK, there's a good chance we'll just chop this." But when someone is an overwhelming favorite and agrees to run it twice, it seems like such a bad idea, and that it's just the sort of thing that if players ask for it, they will always say OK. I think there was a HSP hand with Matusow and Farha where Sammy was way ahead and I couldn't understand why he would agree, but I guess it's so in the future his opponents will agree when he is way behind, just hoping to chop. Link to post Share on other sites
kkot 0 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 I think there was a HSP hand with Matusow and Farha where Sammy was way ahead and I couldn't understand why he would agreeTo decrease variance. Link to post Share on other sites
uncooper 1 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Oh. Ya that makes sense now. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 I was watching HSP again the other night and they ran it twice. What I could not tell was if the players tell each other what cards they have before or after they decide to run it twice. Is there an un-written rule about the etiquette of running it twice?Also, has anyone had a 1-2 NL or 2-5 NL table that would run it twice or is it only for high stakes?I am aware some players (ie Barry G) never run it twice.Thanks.No, they do not show cards before deciding to run. Most card rooms will not run it twice because it wastes table time for the other players and the casino. Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 38 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 No, they do not show cards before deciding to run. Most card rooms will not run it twice because it wastes table time for the other players and the casino.Yes, they do show each other their cards before they run. Though it really doesn't matter that much either way since either knowing or not knowing an opponent's cards has no effect on the expectation value. In my home games, players often opt to run it twice. I've never seen it done in a live casino, though. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Yes, they do show each other their cards before they run. Though it really doesn't matter that much either way since either knowing or not knowing an opponent's cards has no effect on the expectation value. In my home games, players often opt to run it twice. I've never seen it done in a live casino, though.it usually doesn't happen in small capped games. When people are super deep it is more likely to have it run multiple times. Link to post Share on other sites
Startled 0 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 There definitely appears to be some ettiquette involved. When it's a coinflip, I can see both players agreeing to run it twice, basically saying "OK, there's a good chance we'll just chop this." But when someone is an overwhelming favorite and agrees to run it twice, it seems like such a bad idea, and that it's just the sort of thing that if players ask for it, they will always say OK. I think there was a HSP hand with Matusow and Farha where Sammy was way ahead and I couldn't understand why he would agree, but I guess it's so in the future his opponents will agree when he is way behind, just hoping to chop.Maybe better to agree if you're way ahead, especially if you have a lot of money at risk. Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyJoe 0 Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 Maybe better to agree if you're way ahead, especially if you have a lot of money at risk.it makes no difference whether you are way ahead or way behind or even money or slight favourite or slight dog, the EV doesnt change no matter whether you run it once, twice, 10 times, 20 times, 30 times, whatever, the EV is the same. The only thing that changes is the more times you run it, the more likely the overall result will be closer to the actual mathematical EV. Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 it makes no difference whether you are way ahead or way behind or even money or slight favourite or slight dog, the EV doesnt change no matter whether you run it once, twice, 10 times, 20 times, 30 times, whatever, the EV is the same. The only thing that changes is the more times you run it, the more likely the overall result will be closer to the actual mathematical EV.Please pin. Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyJoe 0 Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 Please pin. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 I was watching HSP again the other night and they ran it twice. What I could not tell was if the players tell each other what cards they have before or after they decide to run it twice. Is there an un-written rule about the etiquette of running it twice?Also, has anyone had a 1-2 NL or 2-5 NL table that would run it twice or is it only for high stakes?I am aware some players (ie Barry G) never run it twice.Thanks.Dealers have run it twice for me in 1/2 games. Casinos frown on it, but I think they're being very short-sighted. Broke players pay no time charge or rake. Running it twice makes it less likely someone will go broke. Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyJoe 0 Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 Dealers have run it twice for me in 1/2 games. Casinos frown on it, but I think they're being very short-sighted. Broke players pay no time charge or rake. Running it twice makes it less likely someone will go broke.dont 1/2 games ALWAYS have a waiting list? Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 dont 1/2 games ALWAYS have a waiting list?Of course not. If they do, they should run more tables. Link to post Share on other sites
four10 lkc 0 Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 there are waiting lists for 1/2 a lot that i have seen. most of the time more tables will open when enough players get on the list Link to post Share on other sites
KONGOS 0 Posted May 10, 2007 Share Posted May 10, 2007 Dealers have run it twice for me in 1/2 games. Casinos frown on it, but I think they're being very short-sighted. Broke players pay no time charge or rake. Running it twice makes it less likely someone will go broke.I think that's a good point...but there should be a limit on when you can ask to run it twice. "High stakes" is a relative term. If someone is playing 1-2 or 2-5 with a deep stack, say $1500 or $3000 respectively, doubling up or going broke might affect them as much as the same type of pot does to a "high stakes" player. I think they should start implimenting it at some of the lower stakes tables when a pot reaches a certain size. Link to post Share on other sites
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